By Tyler Lyons On My Life Before Joining the Party Long before the onset of the COVID pandemic, I was struggling with my political identity. I had been disillusioned with…
Patriotism has nothing to do with “being proud” of anything. Were the CPC and the KMT proud of anything when they started the reunification wars? Ofc not, and thats exactly why they started those wars. Patriotism is about loving your country, and, despite what fake patriots (meaning the bourgeoisie) would want you to believe, your country is made up of its people, its not an abstract idealistic idea of “America” or any other country. China was in shambles, and it was the CPCs patriotic duty to rebuild it and save the chinese people.
This idea that “you cant be patriotic of imperial core countries” and that if you do you are proimperialist is ridiculous and doesnt exist outside of the USA. If you dont believe me, read the party programmes of european communist parties and what they have to say. A good example is the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), an ML antirevisionist and very big party that led the fight against the austerity imposed on Greece by the EU after the 2008 crisis. The KKE openly says that they are patriots, and that its their patriotic duty to oppose the EU and its global imperialism. Most european communist parties say the same thing, and the few that dont tend to be the most proiimperialist liberal and eurocommunist ones.
You americans keep repeating this lie, but its false, and all you have to do is look outside your borders to see im right. Idk why you are so obsessed with this idea, maybe its a reaction to the toxic jingoism you have over there, which calls itself “patriotism” but is not. There is nothing patriotic about joining the US military and drone striking afghan children. In fact, i would say its the opposite, its every americans patriotic duty to NOT join the US military, since the only thing that allows US capitalists to mantain their power is having enough cannon fodder to fight for them in the military.
Also i dont understand what your last sentence is about, i said nothing about nationalism.
Noone talking about national liberation here, we are talking about patriotism. I guess the Communist Party of Greece are reactionary patsocs then lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But sure, you can just accuse me of “being an american chauvinist” i guess, even tho im a spaniard with no relation to the anglosphere whatsoever, english isnt even my native language. The truth is, as that Mao quote clearly states, that all communists must be patriots. And that doesnt mean “praising your government” or “praising your flag” or anything like that. It just means you love your country and its people. There is nothing more patriotic than being a communist, communist parties all over the world acknowledge this, in Latin America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. Its only in the USA that you deny this. My guess is because you have been brainwashed by your media and education system that patriotism is bootlicking the flag, the police, the military and the Founding Fathers. Patriotism is noone of that. Noone who advocates for capitalism is a patriot, since they are more than happy to let their people suffer in misery. This is the truth, the whole world except you recognizes it.
Also sectarian? What is this lie? The KKE is anything but sectarian. They literally have an “independent party policy”, which means that, no matter what the position of the party on something is, they will not cut ties with other communist parties even if there are big disagreements. As long as a party is communist, they consider them comrades. Thats why they created the International Meeting of Communist and Workers Party, where they regularly invite communist parties from all around the world with very different ideologies, some even pacifist reformists like the Communist Party of Japan. They also invite CPUSA, which you seem to like. But yeah sure, KKE is sectarian.
They are not anti AES, they have bilateral ties with the CPC and regularly invite them to the aforementioned meeting. They are just critical of chinese investment in Greece, and frankly you cant blame them, many greek workers have died in workplace accidents at chinese owned firms, and the chinese investors have been anything but helpful, instead choosing to barricade themselves with lawyers, rather than paying reparations. I personally think its the greek governments fault, not Chinas, but you cant blame the KKE for being suspicious of this.
They did not even attend the meeting hosted by the CPC. They have expressed “critical support” over nebulous shit like… trade. Wow. Such great criticism. Very original.
They literally invited the CPC to Greece several times, along with the cuban, laotian, vietnamese and north korean parties. They literally support China dude, all they disagree in (omg, a disagreement, how dare they, so antimarxist to have debates and different opinions) is chinese investment in capitalist countries, since it benefits off the labour of the workers there while they dont even get a seat at the negotiating table.
Also to debunk your slanderous LIE about the KKE not attending the 2016 IMCWP because “they hate China”. Very few parties attended that meeting, due to serious ideological rifts that year. That year, of the 118 members of the IMCWP, only FOUR attended. Including those who did not attend, is your beloved CPUSA. But yes, im sure this was the KKE alone just hating China.
Ohhh, there we go, if you are homophobic then you are not a communist. So the strongest nonrevisionist/reformist communist party in the EU, the only strong EU communist party that has not joined NATO in its antiRussia crusade, the only EU communist party that consistently fights labor struggles for workers rights, that advocates revolution, that praises Stalin and denounces Khrushchev, is a reactionary party. Got it. I bet you love trotskyite parties that get 300 votes while spreading antiChina rhethoric.
Then i guess the USSR and the CPSU were evil reactionary patsocs. Same with Cold War era Cuba and its Communist Party. Also the modern day Russian, Belarusian, Moldovan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, and many more Communist Parties. Also the DPRK and its Workers Party. Also the Communist Party of China. Yep, they are all evil, they are homophobic, and thats the most important contradiction, forget imperialism!
Wow, and you call yourself a communist? Rejecting an entire mass movement, one of the few strong principled Communist parties that still remain today, just because of social conservatism? You are not a communist, you are a proimperialist moron, thats what you are.
Keep lying. Golden Dawn has ZERO seats in Parliament. How the fuck would the KKE support them if they didnt even get into parliament? Besides, Golden Dawns leadership was recently arrested and imprisoned, after 5 years of protests asking the government to do so. And you know who led these protests? The KKE you stupid fuck. Golden Dawn literally targeted KKE members all the time you stupid ignorant muppet. They have demanded in their articles that Golden Dawn be shut down and banned for years. Here is an example:
What neonazis did they support? And yes, the Communist Party of China, Workers Party of Korea, Lao Peoples Revolutionary Party and even the Communist Party of Vietnam are homophobic nowadays, in 2022. Do you condemn those too as reactionary?
Ah yes, the CPC is not homophobic when they ban “sissy men”. The WPK also isnt homophobic when they say “there are no transgenders/homosexuals in DPRK, thats a western thing”. Same goes for Laos and Vietnam, although Vietnam to a lesser degree but still.
Patriotism has nothing to do with “being proud” of anything. Were the CPC and the KMT proud of anything when they started the reunification wars? Ofc not, and thats exactly why they started those wars. Patriotism is about loving your country, and, despite what fake patriots (meaning the bourgeoisie) would want you to believe, your country is made up of its people, its not an abstract idealistic idea of “America” or any other country. China was in shambles, and it was the CPCs patriotic duty to rebuild it and save the chinese people.
This idea that “you cant be patriotic of imperial core countries” and that if you do you are proimperialist is ridiculous and doesnt exist outside of the USA. If you dont believe me, read the party programmes of european communist parties and what they have to say. A good example is the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), an ML antirevisionist and very big party that led the fight against the austerity imposed on Greece by the EU after the 2008 crisis. The KKE openly says that they are patriots, and that its their patriotic duty to oppose the EU and its global imperialism. Most european communist parties say the same thing, and the few that dont tend to be the most proiimperialist liberal and eurocommunist ones.
You americans keep repeating this lie, but its false, and all you have to do is look outside your borders to see im right. Idk why you are so obsessed with this idea, maybe its a reaction to the toxic jingoism you have over there, which calls itself “patriotism” but is not. There is nothing patriotic about joining the US military and drone striking afghan children. In fact, i would say its the opposite, its every americans patriotic duty to NOT join the US military, since the only thing that allows US capitalists to mantain their power is having enough cannon fodder to fight for them in the military.
Also i dont understand what your last sentence is about, i said nothing about nationalism.
This is a dumb talking point.
United States is an oppressor nation, not an oppressed state in need of national liberation.
@muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml Looks like we got another person repeating PatSoc talking points.
Noone talking about national liberation here, we are talking about patriotism. I guess the Communist Party of Greece are reactionary patsocs then lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=209459
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=329397
Its in greek but just use google translate.
But sure, you can just accuse me of “being an american chauvinist” i guess, even tho im a spaniard with no relation to the anglosphere whatsoever, english isnt even my native language. The truth is, as that Mao quote clearly states, that all communists must be patriots. And that doesnt mean “praising your government” or “praising your flag” or anything like that. It just means you love your country and its people. There is nothing more patriotic than being a communist, communist parties all over the world acknowledge this, in Latin America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. Its only in the USA that you deny this. My guess is because you have been brainwashed by your media and education system that patriotism is bootlicking the flag, the police, the military and the Founding Fathers. Patriotism is noone of that. Noone who advocates for capitalism is a patriot, since they are more than happy to let their people suffer in misery. This is the truth, the whole world except you recognizes it.
The KKE is pretty sectarian and cringe and homophobic/transphobic, yes.
Also sectarian? What is this lie? The KKE is anything but sectarian. They literally have an “independent party policy”, which means that, no matter what the position of the party on something is, they will not cut ties with other communist parties even if there are big disagreements. As long as a party is communist, they consider them comrades. Thats why they created the International Meeting of Communist and Workers Party, where they regularly invite communist parties from all around the world with very different ideologies, some even pacifist reformists like the Communist Party of Japan. They also invite CPUSA, which you seem to like. But yeah sure, KKE is sectarian.
They are anti-China and anti-AES.
lmao
They are not anti AES, they have bilateral ties with the CPC and regularly invite them to the aforementioned meeting. They are just critical of chinese investment in Greece, and frankly you cant blame them, many greek workers have died in workplace accidents at chinese owned firms, and the chinese investors have been anything but helpful, instead choosing to barricade themselves with lawyers, rather than paying reparations. I personally think its the greek governments fault, not Chinas, but you cant blame the KKE for being suspicious of this.
They did not even attend the meeting hosted by the CPC. They have expressed “critical support” over nebulous shit like… trade. Wow. Such great criticism. Very original.
They literally invited the CPC to Greece several times, along with the cuban, laotian, vietnamese and north korean parties. They literally support China dude, all they disagree in (omg, a disagreement, how dare they, so antimarxist to have debates and different opinions) is chinese investment in capitalist countries, since it benefits off the labour of the workers there while they dont even get a seat at the negotiating table.
Also to debunk your slanderous LIE about the KKE not attending the 2016 IMCWP because “they hate China”. Very few parties attended that meeting, due to serious ideological rifts that year. That year, of the 118 members of the IMCWP, only FOUR attended. Including those who did not attend, is your beloved CPUSA. But yes, im sure this was the KKE alone just hating China.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Meeting_of_Communist_and_Workers'_Parties
Ohhh, there we go, if you are homophobic then you are not a communist. So the strongest nonrevisionist/reformist communist party in the EU, the only strong EU communist party that has not joined NATO in its antiRussia crusade, the only EU communist party that consistently fights labor struggles for workers rights, that advocates revolution, that praises Stalin and denounces Khrushchev, is a reactionary party. Got it. I bet you love trotskyite parties that get 300 votes while spreading antiChina rhethoric.
Then i guess the USSR and the CPSU were evil reactionary patsocs. Same with Cold War era Cuba and its Communist Party. Also the modern day Russian, Belarusian, Moldovan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, and many more Communist Parties. Also the DPRK and its Workers Party. Also the Communist Party of China. Yep, they are all evil, they are homophobic, and thats the most important contradiction, forget imperialism!
Wow, and you call yourself a communist? Rejecting an entire mass movement, one of the few strong principled Communist parties that still remain today, just because of social conservatism? You are not a communist, you are a proimperialist moron, thats what you are.
We should also rename the Great Patriotic War apparently :/
Socialism is when LGBT rights, the more LGBT rights the more socialister it is, and when you have no LGBTphobia, then its communism.
They supported neo-Nazis only a few years ago over some liberal candidate. And they’re incredibly homophobic/transphobic in 2022.
Go away.
Will you substantiate your accusation of the KKE collaborating with nazis?
It was literally in the most recent elections where they supported the Golden Sun or whatever they call themselves nowadays haha
Keep lying. Golden Dawn has ZERO seats in Parliament. How the fuck would the KKE support them if they didnt even get into parliament? Besides, Golden Dawns leadership was recently arrested and imprisoned, after 5 years of protests asking the government to do so. And you know who led these protests? The KKE you stupid fuck. Golden Dawn literally targeted KKE members all the time you stupid ignorant muppet. They have demanded in their articles that Golden Dawn be shut down and banned for years. Here is an example:
https://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/The-people-demand-the-Nazis-to-be-imprisoned/
What neonazis did they support? And yes, the Communist Party of China, Workers Party of Korea, Lao Peoples Revolutionary Party and even the Communist Party of Vietnam are homophobic nowadays, in 2022. Do you condemn those too as reactionary?
They are absolutely not homophobic; they are all that stand in the way of homophobia lmao
Ah yes, the CPC is not homophobic when they ban “sissy men”. The WPK also isnt homophobic when they say “there are no transgenders/homosexuals in DPRK, thats a western thing”. Same goes for Laos and Vietnam, although Vietnam to a lesser degree but still.