Has communism won? Is it a matter of time before the collapse of the West?
Or will fascism have a complete takeover?
What are some things that will almost certainly happen?
China is winning. Or has won already. It’s slam dunking on these hoes in all categories. The West knows this and is now slipping into fascism. It’s constantly shitting on China, but it doesn’t matter. With the Belt and Road initiative underway, the West will become more isolated.
I’m not counting out a global war, I’m a bit scared for the coming months/years.
Pro tip for anyone who gets drafted for WW3, play the good westoid fascist until you get your hands on some live explosives, then frag everyone you can. No reason to go to the front and have to fight and die against communists when you can just die anyways but take some pig-dogs with you.
Avoid being taken at all costs. If you are try to desert.
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I don’t want one and I think one may come in Europe/US. I don’t think the West will take it easy if their influence continues to shrink.
West won’t fall without trying to pull us all to its destruction. Depends on the amount of nukes fired it will be Communism or Barbarism.
That’s pretty scary. I hope they don’t get the chance.
My guess is that by the end of the year we’ll suffer a crash equal to the great depression. The US and Europe will likely not recover.
I mean, the original Great Depression didn’t kill US. If anything, it made it stronger, by shitting on Europe and laying the groundwork for the Nazi rising in Germany.
What saved the US was Europe destroying itself, leaving the US as the only country with sufficient industrial capacity
Is this guess based on anything in specific (economic indicators for example) or just speculation based on general behaviours of the US and European regimes?
8.5 percent inflation with a tendency towards growth. Supply shortages with no solution in sight. Rent reaching the point normal working people simply cannot afford. Massive debt bubbles not just in housing and student loans, but in every and nothing’s going to resolve. This Ukraine thing is the straw that breaks the empire. Americans can’t afford to pay twice as much for gas and Europe is looking down the barrel of energy shortages and famine.
I’ll give it a few years
The US as we know it will cease to exist soon, I give it less than 10 years.
Economic decline and food scarcity is only going to get worse because of climate change and the war. Foolishly the capitalists seem intent on restricting our rights and reducing our quality of life at every chance they get. This is going to turn more and more people against them.
They will try to combat this with fascism to force things to function but it will back fire spectacularly because it will create resistance.
Eventually this resistance will lead to a civil war/revolution and the balkanization of the US.
My hope is that by the last stage we have created enough class consciousness that this results in the introduction of socialism rather than a reboot of capitalism.
As far as the EU is concerned I can see it following a similar path but the economic collapse is going to come much sooner.
Thank you for responding:).
What would you say the chances are that capitalism becomes rebooted vs. socialism being instituted?
Its really hard to say but there are a lot more people fed up with capitalism in this country already than you would suspect. Social media is a terrible metric because it deliberately suppresses leftism.
But I see anti-capitalism WAAAAY more in every day life here than I did even a year ago. There is also a huge labor movement going on and Its only growing. It’s being deliberately understated.
Bernie for all his faults has broken the taboo on socialism and its been growing since.
I think it matters more who has the guns/money than popular support. If we want to win we should get more of those things.
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you’re in p*land, you’re fine. for now.
A high rise of paper defined criminality.
Locally, there is a section of Americans who are dead set on criminalizing Americans whole cloth, who wants to do long term intellectual damage t a significant degree to Americans.
There will be “black market” rebellions because despite how these people feel… MOST Americans are socially progressive or socially neutral.
And for these slow burn fascists to achieve their goals, they will need honest to god staggering infrastructure in law enforcement and also breaking privacy protections to do it.
This jockey for position in the US will make it incredibly difficult to maintain secret wars ; god willing free up some space for other nations to join the future.
We will die in a fascist America. But they wont win. They cant.
Death to America.
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Like the collapse of the British Empire, slowly and pathetically.
Thank you for responding!
Is there any way to predict when it will end?
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it will not end, we must kill it
The way I see it.
“Has communism won?”
It lost almost everywhere, the big exception being China, and now it’s coming back.
“Is it a matter of time before the collapse of the West?”
There is no such thing as “the West”, only the US empire, which has been in territorial decline ever since pro-China Hong Kong won against anti-China Hong Kong.
The time is when Ukraine loses the war, because that’s going to cause political shock waves across the world. Mostly because of the amount of investment the EU and US are pouring into this in order to weaken Russia.
But even if the Ukraine war is won, the decline of the US and EU will continue.
A turn-around would be the US or EU finding massive fossil resources in their area. That’s not going to happen.“Or will fascism have a complete takeover?”
In the US? Maybe. But the EU will collapse before it can get off the ground. The Ukraine toll will be too large.
“What are some things that will almost certainly happen?”
Ukraine will lose the war.
The moment the war is lost, US and EU public will panic and in response, escalate the issue even further. Holding fascist riots against any nation that’s neutral towards Russia. Chinese, Indians, Muslims. They’re all targeted and it will be done in the name of peace and freedom and democracy.
What’s done against Russia right now, will be done against China, India, Saudi-Arabia and other countries.The EU far-right will be further split into pro-Russian conservatives and pro-liberal pro-Ukrainians.
EU will be poorer than Russia and China on a per capita basis by 2030.
EU will have civil wars between liberal (+fascists), pro-Russian conservatives (-fascists), and socialists.
Hyperinflation in the US, EU and Japan.
Taiwan will be reunited with the PRC before 2030.
War between US and Saudi-Arabia before 2030.War between US and Saudi-Arabia before 2030
Elaboration will be helpful
The war between Russia and US being over Ukraine, when the reality is that the US wants to weaken and overthrow the elected Russian leader, so it can divide the country and install multiple puppet leaders in order to get its hands on Russia’s cheap gas is going to be difficult to predict as to what the official narrative will be.
The US wants to print all the dollars in the world as it pleases and it wants the world to pay for them.
It has made such a scheme with Saudi Arabia, where “Forcing to sell oil in rubles is blackmail” (news headline) but “Forcing countries to buy oil in dollars isn’t”.
Saudis aren’t crazy, so they want to be able to have an advantage of taking dollars over their own currency. If they trade more with China and thus need more yuan, then why not cut out the middle man and get rid of some of those dollars?
This can lead to a cascade of selling dollars, leaving the US much poorer in a single year.
This is Saudi Arabia announced to sell some of their oil in yuan for the first time in history.Saudi Arabia is flirting with Russia because they don’t want to end up like Puerto Rico. But threatening petrodollar is exactly how you end up like Iraq or Libya. I wouldn’t be surprised if we start to hear about Saudi atrocities in the western media soon.
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I think they meant having a significant position on the world stage. Sure the others are great to have, but China’s our horse in this race.
EDIT: I forgot a word.
Small exceptions.
The USSR is the big example of it having lost.I’m talking about the future where there’s going to be revolutions again.
Wonderful! Thank you for responding.
What do you mean by it has lost everywhere but is now returning? Are you saying it has a chance to win, permanently? (Of course permanently meaning becoming the world order like capitalism was/is, not actually permanent)
“What do you mean by it has lost everywhere but is now returning?”
By that I mean the USSR was the great socialist state, with the whole of eastern Europe joining. There were socialist revolutions popping up everywhere and even the United States got scared during the 1930s prompting a New Deal capitalist reform to a more social democracy in order to appease the working class.
“Are you saying it has a chance to win, permanently?”
The only reason socialism has failed in the USSR is because of the US.
During the 20th century the US had every tailwind it could wish for,
the USSR had almost every headwind.The US biggest advantage is it’s total amount of fossil fuels. It simply has the most of it, which is why it was able to produce more oil and gas than the rest of the world combined in the first half of the century.
It also has produced the most coal in the world during the entire 20th century and still has by far more of it than any other nation.And then on top of that, two world wars where the US was almost not attacked at all, whereas the Soviet Union was the main target in world war II, where 90% of the fighting happened.
Enormous losses.Only now is it beginning to look difficult for the US to hold on to it’s hegemonic power.
With having such a tailwind, the US in contrary to the USSR, has lived like a king despite being reckless. For example, to produce fossil fuels, the US just took as much risk as it liked and ‘hit gold’ every single time. The USSR could not understand why it took them so little time when they were carefully expanding their production.
Since the dawn of the 21st century however, the US has tried to repeat this method with shale oil, but this time it’s backfiring. Initially everyone jumped on board again, trying to turn the US into another Saudi Arabia, because why wouldn’t it be #1? And in just twelve years they managed to indeed beat Saudi Arabia, producing the most oil in the world again…without a profit.
So instead of being as earn as much as Saudi Arabia, they got into debt.
Investors walked out after twelve year of constant production increases.
This leaves no money for the shale oil producers to take risks and so currently the shale oil are now drilling all the wells they’ve found, until they can pay down the investors and earn enough to find new wells. They’ve got about two years until they run out of old wells.Then there’s the US biggest advantage of the 20th century, coal.
Wind and solar are beating coal and US wind and solar is less advantageous per capita than coal for countries like Tanzania, Chile, Indonesia, Tajikistan, or the North Pole for that matter.Now having lost these advantages, the US has gone into the 21st century thinking that communism has been beat and won’t return forever, so it doesn’t need to repeat what it did in the 1930s, which saved the nation from a socialist revolution.
And so there will be a revolution in the US, socialist or the always-self-destructive fascist one and that will be the end of it’s world reign.So without the US being the big spoiler in the room, there’s the question of why won’t there be a capitalist nation taking over the baton.
First of all China will likely be the new big winner and China is socialist.
Second of all, automation causes jobs to be lost and we are in a very late stage of automation.
It’s been happening since the industrialization, but with computers, not just machines, all jobs are at stake. Jobs in the agricultural sector, industrial sector, service sector, all of them.
Even the profession of a banker is no longer safe with the introduction of digital currencies.
And this type of automation, computerized automation, has been happening for 50+ years already.
The richest people of the world already are semi-IT nerds instead of bankers and IT is the profession of job destruction.
So the richest people in the world, the thing that makes the most money these days, is the profession of automating other people’s jobs.This is destabilizing all capitalist nations, which means that after the US collapse, there’s not going to be a new capitalist nation.
Permanently.
maybe 2040, these things take longer than we usually think
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Very interesting, thank you for responding.
I agree with the severe unrest beginning after 2024.
Ukraine is a fascist stew pot. The CIA has been seasoning it with fascist brew for half a century now and it has matured. I am fairly confident that win or lose the Ukrainian situation will have ramifications that involve the weapons which will be “lost” and available for purchase and use by plausibly deniable threat actors as well as the ideology and the experienced and hardened fascist foot soldiers who manage to flee to the west and can form fascist militias in Europe and the US to defend capital.
They are creating the soldiers of capital to defend themselves in the coming decade in Ukraine right now. As well as in some amount of the Ukrainian refugees who unfortunately like many in Ukraine have shown themselves to be incredible sympathetic to fascism and Nazism, extreme reaction and anti-communism thanks to the fall of the soviet union and half a century of CIA propaganda efforts at Ukrainian fascism/nationalism promotion. Not all obviously, but enough to have a pool to draw from I think they think and certainly they wanted the fascist foot soldiers to get out, these “moderate rebels” so they can have them to put to further use at home.
Obviously not all is going according to plan. The Russians are killing large numbers of the fascists but we’ll see. I’m sure we’ll see many of them pop up among usual suspects in future suspicious happenings.
rocks fall, everyone dies.
Depends, if they continue to poke the bear, then a nuke in Yellowstone and the end, if not, then they will collapse on their own if they don’t start another war to sustain their economy.
I will screenshot and come back to this thread in a few years and laugh.
None of this is going to happen.
what do you mean by that? genuine question, since there were sides presented that combat each other.
What do you mean? Everything in the thread or just the comment?
I should’ve been more clear, when I say “None of this is going to happen” I meant the things in your post (re @Catraism-Stalinism) though it ends up applying to most of the answers as well.
Well what do you think will happen?
