To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.
The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.
This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.
This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.
I want you to explain for me how voting for Trump is - somehow, according to you - not voting for literal genocide.
In point of fact: Trump just removed the (admittedly woefully insufficient) weapon restrictions that were previously being applied to Israel
So far, Trump has already done more to reign in the carnage in Gaza than the Democrats did, BlueMaga types like you only don’t realize that because you were aggressively denying the extent of the genocide under Biden.
His cabinet is full of zionists. There is not a big difference between Biden, trump and Harris. Both parties will always try to outcompete each other in supporting Israel
Elise Stefanik, Donald Trump’s nominee for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, stated during her January 2025 Senate confirmation hearing that Israel has a “biblical right” to the occupied West Bank.
Steve Witkoff, Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy, suggested relocating some Palestinians from Gaza to Indonesia aka ethenically cleasing them
Trump also cancelled the performative action of genocide joe of halding 2000 ton of bomb to the idf
I’m not saying Trump doesn’t support Israel and the genocidal Zionist agenda in general, but I also don’t believe he’s as personally passionate about it as the people like Blinken and Biden are. Like, he will continue supporting Israel in the way that the USA always does, but he was willing to tell them to knock it off when the sheer horrific brutality of what they were doing was becoming a millstone around the neck of the USA agenda, which the last year of genocide absolutely was. I’m saying he’s as bad as someone like Reagan on Palestine, which is still bad, but the Biden administration was the worst of the worst.
Lmao what the actual fuck? Are you being serious? Did you not see the article I posted, or even try to corroborate/disprove it yourself, and then realize that it is a thing, and it’s easy to corroborate?
How deep in the BlueAnon well are you that you think lifting the entirely symbolic ban is more important than securing a fucking ceasefire! Jesus Christ, you people genuinely don’t see us as human, you care more about scoring points against Trump, and you’d rather we all die if it proves you right.
Your refusal to believe or understand facts and context around the negotiation is deeply telling. Just so you understand why we are all continuing to downvote you.
Also:
You were the one describing actual facts as “utter nonsense”
And I understand why you continue to downvote: because you’re so fucking upset that Trump won the election and didn’t continue the genocide that you’ve decided to embrace fantasy and are lashing out at anyone who reminds you of reality.
I’m not in this interaction to litigate reality with you. I’m here to see how long it’ll take for you to stop trying to troll everyone who actually understands the full context of the situation.
Correct, it’s clear that you’ve already abandoned reality.
Hey, you can’t use that line, I already used it. Please draw another card.
Like what? Last thing I read he continued shipping heavy weapons that were previously banned from being shipped to Israel and some clown in his cabinet stated that Israël has some sort of holy right to the land. I’m not American and I don’t approve of the democrats way handling it, but the republicans so far seem worse.
This just shows me that republican are more vocal about israel support. The biggest military aid happened during Obama and biden bypassed two time the congress to help the genocide. He also gave more defensive system to Israel so it feel safe to continue the war
He literally secured a ceasefire; you really need to re-examine what news sources you’re consuming if you only heard that he repealed Biden’s entirely symbolic ban on one type of bomb, but somehow managed to miss the ceasefire.
The ceasefire happened before Trump took office
It was secured by Trump envoy.
What did he do?
Secured a ceasefire
Cease fire was negotiated and secured by the Biden administration. Try again.
Edit: or am I misunderstanding what you’re saying?
You aren’t. It’s a .ml account so they are probably just trolling.
Fair dues. I started at .ml, and I’m not a rabid tankie troll, so I usually like to give the benefit of the doubt…up to a certain point, of course
Yeah, how dear a .ml account post on .ml, you dipshit troll.
No, it was not, it was negotiated by Trump’s envoy. Maybe you should do the smallest amount of research before trying to act like a smug redditer and give away your ignorance
Maybe do the smallest amount of research and realize that:
Do you genuinely believe the bullshit you’re spouting? I don’t mean to be meaninglessly hostile to you - I’m asking how you can possibly believe that line when it’s trivial to disprove.
I don’t care about the persnickety procedural bullshit that you blueanon fucks think is more important than thousands of human lives. “Oh No, it’s actually bad that the genocide stopped, because that violates the Hatch Act!” You Fucking Ghoul.
Biden actively supported the human catastrophe Israel created but because you spent the last year being a genocide denying DNC cultist, you’ve blotted that fact out.
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? What you’re saying is utterly unmoored from reality.
Righto 👍
I realize that BlueAnon extremists like you would rather reject incontrovertible facts than admit you were wrong, but they are still incontrovertible facts.
One, I’m Canadian, two I’m firmly left, well past “liberal”. Two, you’re not really worth talking to. Have fun screaming into the void buddy.
Edit: heh, I’m just going to leave the poorly numberedness.
That was under Biden. Try again?
If you did any research, rather than just trying to confirm your own fantasy, you’d know that it was done by Trumps envoy, so drop the smug reddit shithead act and actually look at the facts.
Ok so he didn’t do anything in the reality that we live in lol thanks for confirming xD
Jesus, this election really has broken BlueMAGAs brains now; you’re being given uncontraversial facts and just saying “Nuh UH!” followed by the usual reddit shitlord cliches.
Go on, keep blabbering, I got my popcorn.
Besides the irrelevant symbolic posturing from Biden being undone, nothing Trump does or will do absolves Biden.
Lets say Trump raped 70 people and Democrats raped 60 people. One cannot say “I would never vote for a rapist”, and then endorse Democrats. Replace the word rape with genocide and multiply the numbers by a thousand.