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Donald Trump on Sunday proposed a new policy that many critics said is equivalent to legalizing “The Purge.”
Trump spoke at a rally in Pennsylvania, where he admitted that his attendees were “falling asleep” at one of his earlier rallies. Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign noted that, as Trump was still speaking at the swing-state event over the weekend, rallygoers placed directly behind the former president started to funnel out of the building.
One comment Trump made drew condemnation on social media, as well as numerous comparisons to The Purge, a film series based on a dystopian world in which the government makes all crimes legal for a 12-hour period.
As reported by Sebastian Smith, AFP Washington desk chief, “Trump in Erie, PA, says in US ‘the police aren’t allowed to do their job.’ To stop crime, you need ‘one really violent day.’ He says: ‘One rough hour and I mean real rough, the word would get out and it would end immediately.’”
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I don’t think Trump is talking about a purge. What Teump is saying that the police should be allowed to get as violent as they want for that one hour.
You know typical dictator stuff.
Yep, and that is a lot worse.
The police already fairly violent now. Imagine if the police got a carte blanche do whatever they want.
Imagine
Glad you got that head start
I suspect he’s talking about giving the police carte blanche, not anyone else.
Honestly, a purge might be good for America. Most people purging would be accelerationist alt-right power fantasy morons, and they would be the first to get killed off by each other.
One comment Trump made drew condemnation…
Just one?
People who think something insane like the purge are the ones who can’t imagine they would die.
Uhm, I don’t think this is a reference to the Purge, I think this is a reference to the Day of the Rope from the Turner Diaries
As much as I know Trump is a piece of shit nazi, it’s far more likely that he watched a movie, rather than anything to do with reading.
No way he read the book, but he’s immersed enough in that far-right shit scape that it’s not really much of a stretch to believe he picked it up somewhere. I’m sure people on Truth Social love talking about it.
The Turner Diaries is barely readable. I know, I read it.
I know you’re supposed to know your enemy, but I have no plan of putting that filth in my brain.
That’s why people like me and other lefties often take one for the team and read it so you don’t to
Firstly there is thought slime’s video on the thing describing it in great detail, and then there is the TV tropes that also has some great information on it.
What do I have to add? I need to mention that one aspect of the Turner diaries plays up is that somehow the opposition is so incredibly afraid of being labeled racist or 'politically correct ’ (now usually called woke) and will allow all manner of heinous crimes committed by non-white people in order to avoid that.
This is a trope that is often employed by right wing authors, including Ben Shapiro and Glen Beck. They have this idea that liberals and lefties are so terrified of the racist label that they would never describe a suspect as black or Asian for fear of ‘racial profiling’ (even though that isn’t what it is) that blacks somehow commit crimes with impunity until a conservative calls it for what it is and gets the job done.
The Turner diaries does the same… but only far worse. There are several parts of the book where blacks all form cannibal and rape rings and just kidnap at random white girls (and only white girls) to rape and eat and all the white authority figures are powerless to stop them due to the fear not being called racist.
I think Trump wanting to “make all crimes legal for a twelve hour period” should be enough to dump, disqualify, and imprison his @$$.
Not what he said
It was cops should be allowed to be as violas they want to deter criminals
I think if he made all crimes legal, for 12 hours- and gave people plenty of warning, he’d be dead in the first.
I mean, it must be an exercise of immense self control to be on his security detail, and not constantly wonder about the good that could happen. If they just.
Also. Throw in all his cooks and food delivery people, the people that maintain his vehicles. The people that maintain the golf course… the mail people. The people that do the laundry. Change his diapers. The people that manage his medications.
There’s an awful lot of people that he relies on to survive. Any one of them could end it, and he shits on them near constantly.
Remove the threat of consequences? Oh yeah. It’d be a battle royally, and he’s the king to regicide.
Or simply kill him.
They make it sound like he shouldn’t have said it out loud. This is the shit his loyalists love! He means to say it and they were meant to hear it.
He wasn’t “caught” doing shit.
The night of broken glass is literally their guide book.
Why would this be surprising to anyone…
You all lived through a trump presidency before and we are about to live through a whoever runs the biden one. None of this crazy shit is going to come to pass. It’s just going to be more of the same.
The only thing consistent since obama’s second term has been the decline.
Last time you guys said nothing bad would happen, a million of us died for no good reason.
Say that to the mothers that were forced to give birth to rape babies.
Look at this little both sides removed trying so hard.
Roe v Wade
So just casually passing on the conspiracy that Biden isn’t actually acting as president? That someone is playing him like a puppet?
One side is calling for literal fascist ideologies and polices. Imprisoning, deporting, and killing whomever they declare are undesirable.
The other is calling for abortion rights, trans rights, gay rights. Actively working to make life better for all Americans, and not just themselves.
we are about to live through a whoever runs the biden one.
You mean Biden
Total corruption of the SCOTUS…
If it’s “more of the same” I’d like the sane ones to ein. Y’know, just in case.
Unrelated to the content, how does a self respecting journalist start an article’s title with “Omg”?
Like I feel dirty even giving them a click when I have no obligation to society, it’s just depressing to see them presenting as a credible news source
how does a self respecting journalist start an article’s title with “Omg”?
Probably the same way we don’t start them with “VERILY!” or “FORSOOTH!”. Language evolves and makes old people mad. Tale as old as time.
Omg word using person uses word that you understood to communicate idea.
Get over yourself, mate
Unrelated to the content, how does a self respecting journalist
The fact you lack respect for other living beings does not indicate that they necessarily lack respect for themselves.
It’s a quote, dumbass
Oh my god, is that what those funky-wunky little lines around Omg meant?
Before I just thought it was just a sensationalist garbage headline, I had no idea someone ACTUALLY said “Omg” in relation to the article, mind blown, thanks
Quote the quote!!!
The Purge has been central to Q Anon.
It was supposed to happen 4 years ago but trump lost.
Had he won, the trucker convoy would have been a part of it.
(I was witness to some chatter and had this directly communicated to me.)
Also, see: the turner diaries a book. A horrible violent racist book. There’s a theme throughout.
“The day of the gun and rope”
One of the organisers of the convoy in Canada loved using the phrase, “day of the rope” in reference to hanging our prime minister. (Also see “diagolon”)
The threepers/ 3 percenters ara group that believe it would take 3% of the population to bring about an ethno state.
They operate in Canada and the us and were VERY visible in Ottawa.
That isn’t where the 3% number comes from. Also they were very up-their-own-ass, but were ultimately benign. Then they got turned into another terrorist mlitia by maga. So, while you are right in calling them out as the enemy of the people now, that still isn’t what 3% stands for.
The Turner Diaries are what inspired Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
It’s super dangerous. But at this point, the genie is way out of the bottle.
I don’t in understand how these people really think they are the only ones capable of violence.
What do they think “the opposing side” will do… lie flat and wait for a bullet to the head?
They fully expect to roll into a city in a fleet of lifted F250’s and drive a herd of fleeing vegans before them without having to lift a finger. The fact that liberals can and will defend their homes isn’t an idea that’s crossed their mind. The things that “country folks” believe about “city folks” would boggle the mind.
They think anyone who owns a gun necessarily agrees with them
The Purge, Period checks, no overtime, mass deportations. The future looks bright. Thank you for bringing so much joy to the world GOP.
Don’t forget to vote third party or not at all because the Democrats aren’t perfect or because electoral college or voting day is a Tuesday…. s/
Dont forget to not hold democrats accountable for anything so they can move 6 more steps right and normalize all the Republican corporate shit you claimed to be against 10 years ago.
Which candidate that has a chance of winning the election in November do you think Americans should vote for?
Wanna bet their answer is “no”?
Not them but I think the answer is very obviously “not Trump”.
Everyone should vote for “Not Trump” and it seems that more people agree than not when even his own party wanted a guy with former brain parasites than him.There is really some lamenting though that the bar is set so low and the Democrats seem to be happy to not even try to jump over it but take the win on not being Trump.
It could be an amazing strategy to run on a platform of helping and pushing change instead of telling tired people they will keep things the same.
Its obvious it needs to be “Not Trump”. But I wouldn’t expect people to be happy about voting for the equivalent of the 2000 Republican Party in spirit here in 2024 when people not wanting that anymore is how the Republicans got Trump in the first place. People are gonna get burnt out and disenfranchised on no change.
It doesn’t mean they are right to burn it all down but people commit suicide for shitty reasons too.The only “not Trump” that has a chance of winning is Harris.
Voting for any other “not Trump” actually helps Trump. You might as well just not vote.
Well only true if they weren’t a Trump supporter voting 3rd party.
People walking out of his rallies and falling asleep at them does not help Trump.
I get that Harris is the only person with the current backing up there to win properly against him this election but if you literally take a look at your math there and say someone that votes third party would be better by not voting at all you are just trying to silence people that disagree with you rather than let them have any voice.
Voting for third party when they wouldn’t have voted at all is not the same as helping Trump and you need to stop being so scared of Trump you keep bullying those that would with that false equivalent.
I am not trying to silence anyone. People are free to do what they want. I stand by my position that voting for anyone but Trump or Harris achieves nothing.
Voting third party in modern history has never achieved anything and there is no one anywhere close to the popularity of Ross Perot, who came closest.
This comment made around 8AM Saint Petersburg time. Morning comrade!
Normally when I see a headline like this it is taking Trump out of context or giving a very uncharitable take on what he said. Every once in a while, though, what he said is truly as ad as the headline makes it sound. This is one of those times.
He is literally calling for either The Purge or Kristallnacht! This man is calling for mass murder as a way to solve crime.
I remember when I first heard the “we will build the wall and Mexico will pay for it”. I thought, “oh they must be taking him out of context that makes no sense”. Nope
He is pretty consistently advancing absolutely batshit insane things. I don’t think he actually gets taken out of context that often, not because the media is fair, but because the shit he says is so goddamn insane there’s no need.
Is there something in recent memory where you think there was a headline that misconstrued what he said?
I don’t have anything at my fingertips. I thought I had some comments on articles that bothered me in that way, but maybe I never finished those comments. I had problems with lemmy not letting me post with my vpn turned on…
I’ve had several times recently where I felt that an article was making a mountain of a mole hill to make Trump look worse. I wrote, but apparently didn’t post, comments saying, effectively, "Trump makes himself look bad enough without exaggerating or lying. Tell the truth about what he says and he looks like a fascist maniac. Exaggerate and you make people wonder if you’re always stretching the truth.
Purge works both ways, Donnie.
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
He’s not calling for the purge.
He’s calling for krystalnacht.
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
Deliberately. Comparing it to the Purge rather than the Kristallnacht gives the majority of people who only read the headline the wrong idea about what he actually meant, which derails the discussion towards “crazy old man says another crazy thing” rather than “crazy old fascist says another fascist thing”.
That was a purge though. Also the night of the long knives.
Yeah the message is getting across.
When people are using the the term “The Purge” they mean like in the movie series. Very different concept.
Which isn’t what he said. He said let the police loose for one “very rough” hour. Not everyone gets to do something for a day. He did not describe the movie like the media is suggesting. That would involve people shooting back at him. Which he’s not a fan of. No he described something altogether darker where he and the police get to kill people with no accountability.
You literally just explained my own point back to me.
I see what happened. I didn’t see the entire thread and assumptions got made. Sorry about that.
Getting way too real but those movies are actually well worth watching. No, not the first one where Ethan Hawke and Lena Heady are rich white upper middle class people who are betrayed by their neighbors because they didn’t own enough guns. Like… every other Purge movie
The reality is what we already see. The Holy Second Amendment is supposed to let people defend thmselves but it results in rich (predominantly white) people owning forty ARs and heavy body armor whereas lower class ethnic folk MIGHT have a pistol for self defense. And when shit hits the fan? Fat white kids cross state lines to mow down some protesters with their assault rifles.
And every movie (except the god awful first one) addresses this. Bubba Gump’s convenience store lost their purge insurance so he is forced to try and defend his livelihood. Hispanic women are openly told they will be raped when the clock hits 6 (?). Impoverished black neighborhoods have klan members bussed in to murder them all (its cool though because Y’lan Noel goes John Wick on the nazis). Totally Not Hilary Clinton gets the biggest target ever painted on her head on purge night (its cool though. Frank Grillo is mostly only a dumbfuck that Chris Evans will never talk to again but damned if he isn’t an awesome white guy with a pistol). And the rest of the rich white fucks just hang out in panic rooms with the poors they bought the rights to torture and murder.
Because that is the reality. Privilege is everything. If you have enough money you can avoid the consequences of anything. Whether it is the decades of horror because people were too busy looking at Marisa Tomei’s ta-tas to realize she should not be allowed to write legislature, the fucking idiocy of wanting a heavily armed populace, or just driving drunk and running over a few kids in a car.
It’s an outrageously idiotic idea if you put more than 3 seconds of thought into it. It’s cool they were able to make some kind of allegory for the lowest common denominator to understand classism or some shit, but I don’t know how anyone could suspend disbelief given such a ridiculous premise
I mean, I dont disagree that the concept is insanely idiotic but all they’ve done in the purge is take the concept of a pogrom and applied it to modern day america. The premise isn’t that rediculous. It has happened, in real life. Yeah they’ve leaned into it, and dialed up the crazy fevor a bit, but its not so removed from real life accounts of pogroms.
Sadly he’d have his little safe room to quiver in until the dust settles. Like the rich people in the movies that would drop security shutters and party through the holiday.
Wouldn’t even be in a safe room, he just wouldn’t be in the country.
To stop crime, you need one really violent day.
Yeah someone tried that at one of his rallies, but he missed.
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