• poVoq
    157·
    2 years ago

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  • Evg
    73·
    3 years ago

    In fact, we can find an excuse for this in this difficult time (what he forbade). We can justify any action on either side if we go inside. Alas, or cheers, this is how our mind works. We will defend our point of view, we will hold on to what “everyone” says to the last.

    But we don’t know much. I will say this, and I think I will express the majority of Russians. They rallied like never before. Never in history have there been so many lies, 1 trillion allocated, big money, calls to kill the president of another country, etc.

    All I can say is take your time. I am more than sure that time will put everything in its place. I don’t like politics, but the Russians didn’t start the war, they end it. Fascism on the border is not needed. We do not need.

    And for me, today’s time is significant. He shows what propaganda is capable of, how it changes people’s minds.

    There is so much to programming even when I started following what is now considered best practice. It’s what everyone does. It is right. Most cannot be wrong. I’m wrong, I thought so.

    And on one forum, not Russian, they told me no, you’re wrong. Just the majority is wrong! And the link to the article was thrown off: delusion ad populum

    http://www.skepdic.com/adpopulum.html

    The ad populum fallacy is seductive because it appeals to our desire to belong and to conform, to our desire for security and safety. It is a common appeal in advertising and politics. A clever manipulator of the masses will try to seduce those who blithely assume that the majority is always right.

    • pingveno
      3·
      3 years ago

      …the Russians didn’t start the war, they end it.

      Russia had a choice. It chose to encourage separatists inside Ukraine. When those separatists got in a war with the government, Russia chose to launch a full fledged invasion of Ukraine. A full quarter of Ukraine’s population has fled or is internally displaced. Civilians are being attacked regularly, indiscriminately or even on purpose. Entire cities are being reduced to rubble, just like Russia previously did to Aleppo. Ukraine is defending itself, and Russia continues to be the imperialist aggressor bully next door. Russia should pack up and go home. Ukraine has made it clear they are not wanted.

      • Evg
        32·
        3 years ago

        Fascism will be destroyed. This is a solvable issue. Next to me is a man whose toes were crushed by soldiers of the Aldar nationalist battalion with pliers and a hammer. I don’t think he will like any mention of a country where a fascist junta came to power as a result of a coup d’état. 8 years of death and destruction of civilians. 8 years of mockery of the Russian-speaking population. 8 years of harassment. Fascist torchlight processions in the center of Kyiv, calls to kill Russian children. Know. Decision is made. The time for talking has passed. Fascists with bio-labs, with an attempt to get a nuclear weapon, with the loss of everything human, must be destroyed. So it was and so it will be. The truth will win. And yes, I will not write about politics here anymore. It doesn’t make any sense. Словоблудия и демагогия.

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/staircase-in-ukraine-mall-decorated-with-giant-swastika/

        I liked what Kedmi said, Yakov - from 1992 to 1999 - director of the Nativ special service.

        For all this time, Western intelligence agencies have not taken the time to find out the nature of the Russian people. They are stupid. It doesn’t matter what they do. They only make things worse for themselves. All the decisions they make on the sanctions, I generally get the impression that congressmen in the United States all work for Putin. All their decisions are aimed at strengthening the Russians. To unite them with China and India. To destroy yourself.

        • southerntofu
          32·
          3 years ago

          I certainly hope fascism will be destroyed, but invading sovereign territories with a brutal military organization is certainly not how fascism is fought. If anything, it strongly resembles fascism itself. I also hope if fascism in Ukraine goes down (where it’s a minority movement), it will take down fascism in France/Russia/USA/China (where it’s a lot stronger).

          I know people who were tortured by russian services: chopped fingers, electricity… I mean it’s nothing new and it’s not just happening in Russia, but you should certainly be aware that the Russian government is doing that to its own people and that the most determined antifascist militants have all been jailed or tortured, and many had to flee Russia fearing for their lives.

          Putin is a fascist: he was previously in KGB (not exactly a socialist organization) and has been key to merging State and Corporate power after the USSR collapse and USA-pushed privatization of all resources. I’m not asking you to like/accept western empires (burn them down, too!) but why the hell would you present Putin as a figure of antifascism?!

  • Thann
    53·
    3 years ago

    I think it’s still way more democratic than Russia

    • southerntofu
      1·
      3 years ago

      It’s hard to say that with exact certainty.

      On the + side, Russia is utter hell for political activities (unless you’re a pawn of the system) and Ukraine is far more relaxed. source: several anarchists i know from BUR (Belarus Ukraine Russia)

      On the - side, “exceptional” security measures (patriot act? french state of emergency?) are often used as excuses to reinforce the status quo and silence opposition

  • mogoh
    46·
    3 years ago

    Ukraine is/was on rank 79 on the democracy index. This is not good, but somewhat democratic. Russia is a lot less democratic (rank 124). Supporting Ukraine means to me to supporting a somewhat democratic state against an invasion contrary to international law. Banning pro Russian opposition might be necessary in times of war. I am not happy about it, but it would be easy to oppose Zelensky if Russia would not fucking invade Ukraine. Until then, it is best to support Ukraine.