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I’m reminded of this story
(All credit to SK for actually quitting his habits.)
I used to be far more productive when I was on drugs. The only reason I quit is because of the police harassing me. Now I’m just a shell being addicted to online media. I’m currently waiting until I can get my drivers license back which was taken. Not because I was driving under the influence, but because they simply found some stuff in my saliva. They really want to make the world safe of drugs so now I’m depressed at home trying to pay off my debt to the government because they want to keep me safe? Well it doesn’t make sense but if me being punished and repeatedly being kicked to the ground is the correct way of making the world safe I will do that! Instead of being a happy guy, driving safe on the road and doing some drugs at parties sometimes, I will embrace the nights of insomnia the government forces upon me. At least I can’t drink all of the problems they caused me away, as the only money I have is now considered theirs. What a great society to live in.
Stephen King has also become a shell being addicted to online media, so don’t worry too much.
Fucking police. This guy could have been the next Stephen King!
Sorry to hear, that sucks. I hope you can get back on drugs safely someday.
Thanks. You get it.
So is there a reasonable chance Erdos had ADHD?
It is without a doubt imo
Do ADHD meds enhance creativity too? I thought it was just focus.
They don’t enhance creativity but when you take them, instead of sitting there thinking/stressing about how you are gonna do your creative endeavor, you just do it. It allows you to act on you creative urges and allows you to formulate them into full concepts rather than jumping from one idea to the next.
Imagine you want to write a paper, you have this idea you desperately need to write down, not just to share it with others but also to help yourself fully understand the idea you have but instead of writing this personally important paper you instead sit there and stress about the action of writing for so long that you lose energy and motivation despite never writing a single word. For so long that you lose sight of that original glorious idea and if you eventually write that paper it feels like an utter dissapointment. It took so much damn energy just to think about and when its finally done its shit. Its not even close to what you had in your head and now you don’t even want to improve it bc the whole process was exhausting.
ADHD meds get reduce the severity of that original issue, that executive dysfunction. So no it won’t make you more creative but it will stop you from stressing so much about the process that you forget the creative part.
ADHD meds get rid of that original issue, that executive dysfunction.
Is this an exaggeration? I ask because I don’t know if I might have the wrong medication or dosage. Perhaps with late diagnoses, you not only need to combat the underlying causes that ADHD medication helps with, but also thought patterns and defensive coping mechanisms that are challenging to get rid of, as they are a result of undiagnosed ADHD?
It was hyperbole, I will ammend that in my original comment.
Perhaps with late diagnoses, you not only need to combat the underlying causes that ADHD medication helps with, but also thought patterns and defensive coping mechanisms that are challenging to get rid of, as they are a result of undiagnosed ADHD
Regardless this is absolutely true. I had the luxury of being diagnosed very young and being medicated when I became a teen but I still have problems with my ADHD all the time, even when medicated. It doesn’t remove the executive dysfuntion entirely, it doesn’t make you function like a neurotypical, but it does help. I often take my meds and still get fucking nothing done and still sit around thinking about everything I should be doing. It is certainly far less common when I take my meds and far easier to overcome though.
This advice is unsolicited and may not apply to you specifically but I am throwing it out there incase someone it does apply to happens to see it. I have personally found that managing my ADHD symptoms has revolved around a balancing act of sleep, diet, and meds. I have tried focalin, adderall, concerta, and vyvanse in a range of dosages. Some worked really well at helping me function but fucked my diet or sleep, some didn’t help at all until the doses were high enough to be physically uncomfortable, and there has not been a single one where I had a healthy diet, sleep schedule, and work routine. While this is possible while medicated I was unable to accomplish it and these forms of self care live forever in flux dependent on my meds.
So I say this with plenty of experience and passion. YOUR SLEEP AND DIET ARE MORE IMPORTANT! Obviously focusing entirely on these aspects of self care is not possible for everyone as work is an integral part of our lives but take care of them within your means even if it requires not taking your meds some days or forcing food down a throat that is repulsed by it. Sleep meds even, if necessary.
I fully recommend trying out higher doses if your meds are not helping you enough. ADHD interferes with personal life as much as it does work life so upping your meds could drastically improve your quality of life if you are on too low of a dose rn. Just pay close attention to your sleep and eating patterns. Making good grades or getting that promotion isn’t usually worth the sleepless nights in my experience.
Best of luck friend o7
You won’t be able to use your creativity on a subject that requires focus to reach. Like trying to find a new juggling pattern.
Reading about the guy, I’m convinced he was autistic too. “Diagnosing” historical people is always a bit sus, but I believe this because I know so many autistic nerds in academia who are so much like Erdős. More than that though, I see the ableism in how his narrative is framed. Take for example the following passage from Wikipedia
“He would typically show up at a colleague’s doorstep and announce “my brain is open”, staying long enough to collaborate on a few papers before moving on a few days later. In many cases, he would ask the current collaborator about whom to visit next.”
That quote isn’t one of the bad ones, but other stories about the same thing often frame him turning up at his colleagues’ homes almost like charity, and they emphasised how he had basically never lived independently and struggled with many essential daily living tasks. Except the charitable vibes are diminished by how this is often framed like a trade — housing the genius man-child is an inconvenience and a stress, but ultimately worth it for the ability to bask in his genius and collaborate. It can reduce Erdős down to a 2D character, and adds a weirdly transactional vibe to what is better understood as a community, separated by geography but united by love of maths, supporting each other.
Maybe it’s because I’ve known people like Erdős — weird people who you remember forever because if anyone deserves the label “genius”, they do — but also, they’re just people who have some things they struggle with, and plenty of stuff that they can do, but prefer not to. Hell, I even have one of them crashing on my floor right now, while he’s between homes.
The Man Who Loved Only Numbers is a great book
Tabitha deserves a lot of the credit for it, too.
Let’s not forget the movie, Maximum
OverdriveCocaine.On a less auspicious note, 1986 also marked the nadir of the cocaine addition phase of King’s career in the form of Maximum Overdrive, the first, last and I think it’s safe to assume, only, adaptation of Stephen King’s work to be directed by Stephen King himself. In Hollywood’s Stephen King, King says, with characteristic self-deprecating bluntness, that he was“coked out of [his] mind all through its production, and [he] really didn’t know what [he] was doing.”
That comes through loud and clear in every frame of the movie. King is credited as director here but this might be another case of a giant bag of cocaine becoming sentient and deciding to direct a movie that reflected its sensibility in its purest form. King is one of our greatest storytellers, but a movie about a crazy world full of Southern-fried assholes where all the machines suddenly become sentient and try to kill all humans sure seems like the kind of idea a sentient bag of cocaine would come up with.
Maximum Overdrive is crazy fun schlock. It’s not even a guilty pleasure for me; I simply unironically and full-throatedly love it.
Not all movies need to be Citizen Kane. Sometimes a coke-fueled, overly acted B-movie is exactly what the soul needs.
You succeeded at XKCD 2184
Edit: wait, it has to have come out after 2000. You almost succeeded at XKCD 2184.
Titan AE has exactly 50% on Rotton Tomatoes, but I’m giving it a shout out anyway because it is an underrated gem
That one was so great!
Titan A.E. was them showing us in the USA cartoons wernt just for kids - unfortunately nobody listened.
Such a good freaking movie.
As a horror fan, this is way easier than it claims to be.
Equilibrium.
Oh man, the gun katas were so stupidly hilarious
I love that movie! It got bad ratings?
I also like the Scorpion King. Even further, I like the Scorpion King franchise, especially 3 and 4
Carrie: The Musical was also around that time. It was one of the biggest flops in Broadway history. I would not be at all shocked if cocaine played a big role in Stephen King okaying a musical based on Carrie.
Cocaine “Hey Stephen.”
Stephen King “Yeah, cocaine?”
Cocaine “You like musicals, right?”
Stephen King “I do now.”
Cocaine “You know how people are trying to get Carrie turned into a Broadway musical?”
Stephen King “Yeah…”
Cocaine “You should a okay and use the money.”
Stephen King “What should I buy?”
Cocaine “More cocaine.”
Stephen King “Damn good idea.”
I read this whole thing in the style of Disco Elysium
King pretty famously gave the thumbs up to pretty much anyone who wanted to adapt certain stories. It was the “Dollar Baby” program and it ran from the late 70s/early 80s to about 8 months ago.
Plus, you know, cocaine.
Granted I haven’t seen it since I was a kid, but I remember Maximum Overdrive as a cheesy fun B movie.
Oh shit that’s so crazy!
Some dude also just made a horror game based off of called decimate drive, where cars try to run you over at night. Kind of spooky but weird that I just watched this recently:
Meh. Doesn’t work. Used to have coke every day, for years and years. Never made me a better writer.
Maybe I shoulda’ tried Pepsi?
I smoked weed for thirty years and it made me a much better programmer. That app is going to be done any day now.
Edit: I haven’t checked lately, but Visual Basic 3 is still what everybody’s using, right?
Such creative code!
RC Cola is the secret.
Roman Catholic cola? In Scotland we just drink buckfast
I thought you drank Irn Bru?
I tried some last year. Not bad.
That makes sense. I’ll try that.
Only if you’re looking to write a book about Remote Controlled things. If you want to write about medicine or even self-help to a degree, you’d be best to stick with Dr. Pepper.
The true secret is Mr. Pibb, but they no longer make it, so Stephen King keeps a giant walk-in fridge full of the stuff, enough to drink until he dies.
RC Cola winning blind taste tests…
Cherry Pepsi for novels, regular Pepsi for theater.
I thought Pepsi was for setting pop stars on fire?
He was a better writer when he was on massive amounts of drugs and alcohol.
Sometimes. Ever read the story the movie Lawnmower Man wasn’t actually based on even though it says it was?
There was definitely such a thing as Stephen King doing too much cocaine.
Yes, there’s that but most his stuff since he’s gotten sober has been pretty mediocre.
I’m over here wondering if someone is sitting on the movie right to The Mangler.
They did make a movie of The Mangler.
Hey!
Congrats on that whole “worst user on lemmy.world” nomination!
I’m honoured to stand in your shadow!
cheers
I’m really not worth anyone’s energy.
You’re worth mine. You might be my favorite user on lemmy. 10/10
Thanks, that’s very nice of you!
I think you’re a pretty cool seafood hating squid.
I just don’t want to be seafood, thank you.
Tbf, even the worst lemmy user pales in comparison to the worst users of other platforms like elon and spez.
Considering a couple of people in the thread being discussed reference a different thread where they decided I was a pedophile because I have a photo of my daughter naked when she was a newborn, I think some people here think I’m worse.
a naked newborn!
I’m spiralling, nauseous…you, you…nevermind.
But… Squids don’t wear clothes… Morons.
It’s such a weird slice of society that always equate nudity with sexuality, even in babies/kids. “Weird” being the kindest word I can find.
The funny thing was that none of them had kids.
Yeah, homey hasn’t founded any jailbait subs, a fatpeoplehate iteration, lolicon discussion, not even a single racial slur community modded. Downright lazy in comparison to the cream of the reddit degen crop.
I dunno, I’ve seen you around and I think you seem pretty dope
Thanks!
Thank you for contributing to this small community in a lovely way!
I am happy to do it, so thank you for enjoying it.
I’d agree, but that would take energy.
I don’t have any skin in this game, but why poke the bear?
I guess people think if they hate me enough, I’ll go away? Maybe it will work. We’ll see.
Honestly, if they paid half attention, they’d know it’s just fuel for your fire that probably keeps you going. 🤣
I hope you stick around - seem like a significant net positive in my opinion.
…what did he do exactly? I looked through his post and comment history out of curiosity and I didn’t see anything horrible as far as I could tell.
Philip K Dick too. On drugs, whimsical, thought provoking, melancholy. Dick when sober? Unfathomably terrifying existential dread.
Do we have a timeline for that? I need to know if he was high while writing the Dark Tower novels.
He was high as a kite/drunk as hell for at least the first two, the rest he was sober/recovering since they were written from 1991-2012. He got clean in the late 80s apparently.
The Gunslinger was actually one of the first things he wrote, even before Carrie, it was a short story that he wrote in 1970, and then was submitted to and published in a Sci-Fi magazine in multiple parts in the late 70s, and then sat on it for a while. The Gunslinger as a whole wasn’t published until 1982, and then re-released in 1988. The Drawing of the Three was released in 1987.
I know he blamed the weird child orgy thing in It entirely on cocaine and alcohol.
Damn, that doesn’t explain why the series is getting more and more ridiculous towards the end.
He had a lot of notes from the high times!
Probably yes and no since he wrote the first line in college.
90% sure one of introductions says something like “it was the 70’s and I smoked a lot of marijuana and read a lot of Tolken.” Maybe it just said drugs…
King actually has a book on writing. And yes, it’s about having the discipline to write everyday.
It’s literally called On Writing IIRC.
Can confirm, I read it in high school.
If I remember correctly, he does talk about his drug use in that book. He even talks about drinking mouthwash at one point because he was that much of an alcoholic.
Yes, and he also makes the point quite clearly that drugs don’t make you super productive as a writer. If anything, they make your writing worse. But it’s a good excuse to live that “drugged artist” lifestyle, telling oneself that, sadly, that’s how you have to do it (while opening the next beer can).
I remember encountering a homeless dude in Florida who was consuming Sterno because its high alcohol content and low price made it the most cost-effective fix for an alcoholic. You can go lower than mouthwash.
I haven’t read the book, but I know he’s a very dedicated and hard-working writer. I just thought the meme was funny.
Writing is like exercising your muscles. You usually have to do it regularly in order to have the ability to do something like write a novel. My mom writes novels and when she isn’t, she writes short stories. She doesn’t even send them to be published, they’re just practice for when she writes novels.
Of course, in Stephen King’s case, if has a collection of his grocery lists, someone would publish it.
I seriously wish I could just do it the way your mom is! I can’t seem to get “over myself” though. I start writing and immediately think “who the fuck am I to be writing?! How fucking pretentious can I be?”
People say you aren’t your job, but I can’t help believing all I am is an uneducated factory worker and it affects my motivation tremendously.
To be fair, she did not start writing fiction until her 70s. She wrote a couple of academic books back in the late 1960s and that was it. She even got out of academia by the 80s and did absolutely no more writing.
But when my father died and she was looking for something to do with the extra time she had, she picked up writing fiction. She’s gotten some good reviews too. Obviously nothing even close to the level of Stephen King, but she is published by a legitimate publisher.
That said, now that she’s in her 80s and her memory is not what it was, there are some pretty serious continuity issues I’ve had to point out before she submits manuscripts now.
But it’s clearly never too late to start… and considering some of the absolutely shitty writers in this world, I wouldn’t feel pretentious about it if I were you. You can’t possibly be worse than, for example, E. L. James. And people make movies out of her bad S&M Twilight fan fic.
I’d highly recommend it, even as an autobiography. It really shows who he is, was, and is only about 30% craft advice sprinkled among good shit.
I will put it on my ever-growing list. Thank you. I’ll probably be able to get to it by 2030 or so at this point. So many books, so little time.
Yeah. I don’t even read, I just add to the list.
The audio version is where it’s at in this case. It’s short and narrated by King which really makes it.
I definitely remember him saying that it’s a job and he sits at his desk and types 6+ hours a day but I don’t remember that book detailing his addiction.
I’ve re-listened to it countless times.
It certainly is his book on the craft, but it’s so much also autobiography and breakthrough underdog story too. It’s a great read/listen even if not seeking story advice.
Most of this isn’t directly related to the comment but it got me typing.
I do like the bit where he said he put the rejection letters on a nail, and it was pretty full, think this was his teen years, probably submitting to pulp magazines. It didn’t seem like any time in his life wasn’t filled with wanting to write, and he kept at it (obviously heh) and used the rejections as motivation to improve. He is a pretty good narrator as well, I enjoyed listening to Needful Things read by him, and have listened to On Writing a few times now.
That man can spin a good yarn, his stories have been a part of my life since I was probably too young to be reading them(not to mention tv and film adaptations) but I was reading at least. Even remember one time getting extra credit for the summer reading program cause I read The Eyes of the Dragon since it was much longer than most kids reading material. I just read whatever and a lot at the time, since no Internet back then.
Yeah, SK definitely credits the coke for some of his stuff but damned if it didn’t actually matter that much. The man writes as much now as he ever did.
Maybe Stephen King is just saying that so no one else would know what his secret is to his success.
Checkmate!
I’m gonna have to rethink my strategy…
Interesting theory, but I don’t think it’s chess
“In Xanadu did Kubla KhanA stately pleasure-dome decree:”. I understand the author who wrote this was high too.
Or was he just interrupted by Dirk Gently before something horrible happened?
I think it was Cujo he doesn’t remember, and it was because he was just drunk af the whole time
Wikipedia agrees with you:
King discusses Cujo in On Writing, referring to it as a novel he “barely remembers writing at all.” King wrote the book during the height of his struggle with alcohol addiction. King goes on to say he likes the book and wishes he could remember enjoying the good parts as he put them on the page.
He has also said this about Maximum Overdrive.
TBF, who wouldn’t.
Multiple books. Cujo for sure, iirc also Tommyknockers and Maximum Overdrive.
Tommyknockers is the only Stephen King I’ve read and knowing he was zooted on cole writing it helps me understand some of the stuff I read in that book.
You should read From a Buick 8
If you’ve ever been to bangor you’d know why he was always coked out of it. Most boring “city” in Maine.
I have not, but I live in Indiana and I’m sure that’s the big reason Indiana has a huge meth problem: people live here.
That’s Appalachia’s problem. Like, of course people do drugs there.
hey its Tade Thompson. He’s an author too, Rosewater trilogy is some nice sci fi, would deffo recommend giving it a spin.
Tade Thompson is a great writer. love his rosewater books
Meanwhile Brandon Sanderson, it seems, calls upon the power of God
