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This guy contradicts himself, does he think the US should intervene or shouldn’t? This is rambling rant more than an argument with any point.
Trolling from China : let’s ask OP why Taiwan is doing more for Ukraine than China does.
Where has the US been which provoked the war and said it “stands with Ukraine?”
I have yet to see any evidence that western powers are in any way responsible for the war. If you consider the war is caused by the ukrainian government not respecting the Minsk agreements, then it’s an internal policy matter and i fail to understand how that implicates the USA. Moreover, from all i could see western powers (at least in open/official channels) have been preaching for de-escalation whereas Putin was openly calling/threatening for escalation.
I hate the US and French colonial empires, but come on it’s hard to blame them when another major colonial empire invades a country (which just so happens to be its former colony). In true internationalist spirit, we should be supportive of people struggling for freedom & equality on both sides across continents and borders. Fuck nation states and military organizations, vive la commune!
Yes, U.S. and NATO were “preaching for deescalation” while shipping millions of dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine. All while deploying “instructors” and supporting a planned Ukronazi attack on Donbass republics. Of course Russia wasnt just gonna watch and let that happen.
Russia also offered diplomatic solutions many times (since December, and in fact since 2014). Those were all rejected, and now it seems that the time for diplomacy is over.
Edit: forgot to add, just a few days ago Ukraine threatened to develop nuclear weapons. That was obviously a red line for Russia.
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Ukronazi
What’s this neologism? Are you not aware nazis are very well integrated in the State apparatus in many nations? It’s not just Ukraine: it’s also Russia, France, Germany… So why paint a single nation as nazis when more or less of all the parties involved in the conflict are varying brand of imperialism and racial/cultural supremacy?
supporting a planned Ukronazi attack on Donbass republics
What’s the evidence that there was a wide-scale attack planned? If that was true, it could justify bringing military support to Donbass as an incentive for the central government not to attack, but how could it ever justify invading the rest of Ukraine?!
Russia also offered diplomatic solutions many times (since December, and in fact since 2014).
From this article, the demands formulated by Russia amount to saying eastern european countries can’t have military alliances except with them (neocolonialism, much?). Interviewed russian foreign ministry says:
This is not about us giving some kind of ultimatum, there is none. The thing is that the seriousness of our warning should not be underestimated
That’s not a diplomatic solution, that’s extortion/bullying. “Do what i say, or else…” has nothing to do with diplomacy and nothing to do with the political autonomy of specific regions.
just a few days ago Ukraine threatened to develop nuclear weapons. That was obviously a red line for Russia
Iran did pursue to develop nuclear weapon for decades. Has that ever justified a full-scale military invasion from the USA? Oh yes, the USA fascists and hard-liners from the republicans would have loved that. Just like the various fascists, traditionalists and neo-nazis of Russia who love the flag and the military really love the idea of conquering Ukraine and reforming a Great Russia (like historical nazis liked their Great Germany). I did not think i would ever say this in my entire life, but do you realize you’re spitting propaganda from actual fascists in the name of fighting against nazism?
To understand what Ukronazi means, look at some pictures of the Azov battalion. Their hero is a Nazi collaborator from the second world war (Bandera). In the near future there will also be more information about the genocide they carried out for the last 8 years.
Plenty of evidence for an attack, from NATO weapon supplies, constant artillery shelling on civilians, to even leaked plans and some failed preliminary attacks.
The problem is that western media doesnt report any of this, and if you believe in Guardian or any similar newspapers, you will remain ignorant of reality. Russia has tried diplomacy for a long time, it was rejected, and now the only language left to speak is the language of violence. No one likes that but it is the reality.
The problem is that western media doesnt report any of this, and if you believe in Guardian or any similar newspapers, you will remain ignorant of reality.
If you were to take a look at the Western media, you would see that all these things are actually being reported there. They tell you about the nazis in Donbass (1 2 3), the civilian casualties (1 2) or weapon supplies (1 2).
Russia has tried diplomacy for a long time, it was rejected, […]
Forcing your interests on a sovereign country is diplomacy in bad faith at best. Putin is an ethno-nationalistic imperialist and it is beyond my understanding why leftists defend him so much (The enemy of my enemy is my friend, huh?)
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” - Mao Zedong
To understand what Ukronazi means, look at some pictures of the Azov battalion.
Oh i’m fully aware of the Azov battalion and i’m fully aware of nationalist militias parading down the streets for years (source: i know ukrainian political refugees). But do you really think the Russian army is not literally full of neo-nazis too? Just look at the criminalization of antifascism in Russia (many comrades assassinated or in prison) and the abundant footage of actual nazi bands beating up “random” people in the public space… it’s nothing new but for some reason you’re willing to support an ex-KGB operative (Putin) and his hordes of neo-fascists in the name of fighting against nazis?! What i mean is i don’t support the Ukrainian State because i don’t support any Nation-State (i’m an anarchist), but i do support anti-colonial struggles, and i cannot ignore the asymmetry of this conflict and the colonial dimension of it (Ukraine is a former colony of Russia). And i cannot ignore that due to a unilateral escalation of conflict, millions of civilians are currently suffering.
there will also be more information about the genocide they carried out for the last 8 years
I know a few people who live in the east of Ukraine (won’t say where specifically). Things have been tense and i can’t say there hasn’t been some forms of political repression on the part of the central ukrainian government, but from what i hear and read (except from russian propaganda) there’s nothing that we could even remotely compare to a genocide going on over there. But, even if that were the case, it could justify a so-called “humanitarian” military intervention in affected areas to ensure regional autonomy from the central government, but how does it justify to annex and bomb an entire country?!
Plenty of evidence for an attack, from NATO weapon supplies, constant artillery shelling on civilians
Nation States are trading weapons. What else is new? I mean Russia has also been supplying weapons in this conflict. As much as i despise military activity and weapons trade, i don’t see how “A” gives weapons to “B” justifies “C” invading “B”. As for shelling on civilians, i’d like a source for that: i’m aware of russia/ukraine cross-fire at the border for years and some civilian facilities on ukraine side being affected, but i’m not aware of a “constant” effort from any side to target “civilians” and i don’t think such a thing took place at all.
to even leaked plans and some failed preliminary attacks
Source? And once again, how does that justify invasion? If Ukraine planned to invade Donbass region, the Russian government could have answered Donbass’ call for help and sent military protection there. This can never justify an invasion.
Russia has tried diplomacy for a long time, it was rejected
Russia’s proposal for “diplomacy” was not a negotiation. It was a list of demands impacting the sovereignty of currently-neutral nations (not aligned with NATO or Russia). I’m personally strongly against both colonial empires, so i’m all in favor of more neutrality, but threatening serious consequences if a third-party nation (which just happens to be your former colony) doesn’t comply with your demands is not diplomacy.
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I’ve read it. Some sources in there are interesting, but the material itself is completely disconnected from reality. In the sociopathic game of geopolitics, NATO expansion has certainly destabilized the balance of power and incentivized Russia to assert itself (and its claim on its former colonies). But you cannot compare countries forging military alliances, and a country invading another country… it’s a completely different kind of escalation.
If anything, your article confirms that Putin is a colonialist bully just as much as NATO is in other parts of the world. It’s just russian propaganda and does not account for mischief and imperialist ambitions on the part of Russia. If you want a more nuanced source, i’d recommend checking out Glenn Greewald’s Twitter feed: it does a great job to denounce the hypocrisy of western powers, while at the same time acknowledging that invading a sovereign nation is always wrong, no matter what.
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Putin’s actions, not words, have convinced me. No one has invaded Russia. Russia has invaded Ukraine. You cannot talk fast enough to change the facts.
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You are okay with NATO invading Russia and surrounding it with Aegis missile system
I’m not OK with either. But NATO did not invade Russia and AFAIK is not planning to. There is zero evidence to believe
Russia protecting Donbas citizens from Ukraine
I have no problems with that. But that’s not what’s happening: there is a full-scale invasion going on threatening the capital of Ukraine, where Putin’s demands go far beyond independence for Donbass.
To you, Zelensky, who has a 25% approval rate and jailed the democratically elected Poroshenko and banning opposition media
What the hell are you talking about? I may be missing some details, but Poroshenko’s wikipedia page does not mention incarceration, but mentions losing in the elections to Zelensky. To quote the article:
There was no true consensus (…) why Poroshenko lost (…) [:] opposition to intensifying nationalism, failure to stem corruption, dissatisfaction of overlooked Russian-speaking regions with his presidency (…) He is considered an oligarch due to the scale of his business holdings in the manufacturing, agriculture and financial sectors, his political influence that included several stints at government prior to his presidency, and ownership of an influential mass-media outlet. (…) His presidency was distilled into a three-word slogan, employed by both supporters and opponents: armiia, mova, vira. In translation from Ukrainian, it is: military, language, faith.
I’m not saying Zelensky is much better, but you seem to be ardent to defend an actual bourgeois fascist whose slogan is “military, language, faith” and inventing conspiracies around him? I mean if you do have reliable sources contradicting this Wikipedia article, please help improve it.
Or is it selective Cold War bias going on?
Yes there’s selective cold war propaganda going on. And you’re fully subscribed to one side of it. I personally am very critical of both sides of the propaganda, and supportive of the civilians and internationalist socialists/communists/anarchists suffering due to political repression on both sides of the border. As much as you dismiss Greenwald, he’s doing a correct journalistic job on this topic: he’s presenting the lies from both sides and supporting the victims (the populations). You’re just a puppet of the Russian Empire. Which side are you on? Are you on the same side as Putin and NATO and other vampires playing the same game of geopolitics? Or are you on the side of the people who struggle against oppression and aim for self-organization at all levels of society?
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Free Tibet, as well!
It was already freed in 1950
