It is so hard to get an email address without providing an email or SMS verification. Like 9/10 on the internet difficulty scale.

Any site that lets you receive email for example by generating a random inbox seems to be blocked by the more full-featured ones that let you send email. I’ve spent the last week trying to get an email address doing lots of searches and trying to signup for any email address at all without success.

This makes sense if you understand that bots cause problems universally but at the same time the personal information strategy isn’t working. Spammers have no problem getting email accounts and every other kind of account. It’s the honest person who won’t go to the dark side and pay for stolen accounts that is in the worst shape.

Maybe you want to setup your own mail server? Ther you need a domain name and registars want even more information. Many of them give you privacy on your domain records, but this is no defense from the surveillance state.

If as said in the sidebar mass surveillance is about mass control, and not justice, then email is an extremely important technology to start supporting for privacy and freedom.

Spam and abuse are problems to be sure but there must be other ways to solve them than by providing information that links back to the real world.

Now what can we do about it?

  • DPUGT2
    4·
    3 years ago

    Are there even any candidates at the moment? What would a next gen email look like, one that didn’t leak metadata?

    • DessalinesA
      63·
      3 years ago

      Matrix is the successor to email. Open spec, encryption-first design, federated, much easier to self host and possibly p2p in the future.

      • federico3
        4·
        3 years ago

        It leaks plenty of metadata. Also it’s hardly easy to self-host.

        • DessalinesA
          41·
          3 years ago

          How do you avoid leaking metadata to your server in a federated system?

          • federico3
            3·
            3 years ago

            By using onion routing to connect to it, as Briar does. Also by not having a server at all, again as Briar does.

            • DessalinesA
              62·
              3 years ago

              Briar’s server is the app itself, all federation metadata concerns also apply to p2p federation. Your briar app leaks metadata to every other device it talks with.

              • federico3
                3·
                3 years ago

                No. Data sent between nodes e.g. messages, images and status is not a leak. It is what the applications are supposed to handle. Third parties do not receive data or metadata.

                If you have any reliable source to back your claims please share it.

      • southerntofu
        3·
        3 years ago

        I don’t think that is true. Matrix could be the successor to mailing lists, as it has interesting properties (anti-censorship, consensus-building) for that usecase. But so far matrix implementations are too reliant on huge databases to become practical… I hope the situation continues to improve in the coming years.

      • Jack
        2·
        3 years ago

        And isn’t there a way to sign into things with Matrix? Like OAuth? I thought I heard of that somewhere.

        • DessalinesA
          41·
          3 years ago

          No matrix has its own auth system for signing into it. But more importantly they have bridges that can connect matrix rooms to other services, like IRC, xmpp, etc.

      • toneverends
        2·
        3 years ago

        Does the matrix protocol even enable an inbox-message-delivery type of communication similar to email, or is it all about room synchronisation?

        At least with the current clients even a 1to1 chat is a room state synchronised across the involved servers, and doesn’t lend itself to managing messages in an inbox very well.

        • DessalinesA
          31·
          3 years ago

          Its even better than email in that regard, you have to accept a message request before they can spam you. And it looks really no different from email, with a list of conversations being equivalent to your inbox.

          • toneverends
            2·
            3 years ago

            An SMTP server can be set up to only accept email from addresses in your contact list, if that method of spam rejection is desired.

            All the matrix clients I’ve tried look nothing like a typical old school (thunderbird/eudora/mutt/outlook) email inbox. It’s all IRC-style chat.

            I consider email excellent for exchanging and filing letters/correspondence. Conversations do happen over email but a conversational/chat layout like gmail/matrixelement can be more suited for that communication mode.

            Neither email nor chat chat layouts seem useful for (especially multi-party) discussions, where a threaded conversational layout such as used in zulip/lemmy/ discourse are more suited.

      • DPUGT2
        31·
        3 years ago

        Link please, most of the search results for that don’t seem to be what you’re referring to.