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    The misuse of this meme is one of my biggest meme pet peeves. Have people forgotten that in that scene, his vision is clear when he’s not wearing glasses? So the meme should be the other way around.

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    Chromium, privacy chromium, corporate chromium, spyware chromium, there’s so much diversity! /s

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    Honestly, my biggest fear if Apple ever allows other browser engines on iOS is that developers will stop testing on anything other than Chrome. And they will tell iPhone users to “just download Chrome.”

    I’ve already heard so many places tell people not to use Firefox or Safari to access their website. It’s IE 6 all over again. I hate Chrome and refuse to use it.

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        I hate how everybody seems to be OK with this because Chromium is nominally open-source, when that ended up being the whole reason we are in this mess.

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          Being “open source” seems to be lead people to think it is altruistic or good for the community as a whole.

          Being open source is really just a categorization. A fully for profit organization can make something valuable open source and then leverage that for commercial reasons (like building highly monetized additional code on top).

          It is in Google’s best interests for Chromium to dominate the web even if it is open source due to Chrome’s broad reach and Google’s heavy leverage of the web for revenue, like its ad services.

          It is shortsighted to see what is happening and then go “well I don’t see a problem”.

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            Exactly. So many browser developers adopted it because it’s open-source and eliminated the work of having to build the rendering engine.

            Meanwhile, Google is basically dictating the future of the Web because of this. Web developers are only testing on Chrome, and Google is about to kill ad blockers on every browser except Firefox and Safari because they control the rendering engine. What else are you gonna do?

            “lol just download Chrome!”

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              The extensive reach of Chromium is usually a bit understated too. For example, Chromium is what powers all Electron applications., and as much as we want to gripe about the nightmare Electron has enabled, it still has wide reach. Building for Electron means building for Chromium, and building for Chromium often entails leveraging what is available in Chrome/Electron/etc over what is standard. These frequently overlap, but when they don’t, the blame is then placed on the browser rather than on the website (i.e. why doesn’t XYZ work on Firefox, when the reason is the website developer chose not to test/ensure it does work).

              This gets very funny in some situations where visiting a website in Firefox throws a “not supported” page but switching the user-string to Chrome/Chromium results in the same website working just fine.

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      Yes, it’s a sad state of affairs that Apple’s restrictions on iOS and iPadOS browsers are the only thing stopping an effective Google monopoly over web browsers. Ideally Firefox would still keep things in balance, but Mozilla doesn’t seem to know what it’s doing these days in terms of building market share - and I say that as a long time Firefox user.

      I still remember the IE 6 era, and I hope we never see a single browser dominate the web again. To those wishing Apple would be forced to open up, be careful what you wish for.

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        Firefox is in a pickle, because unlike the IE/Firefox, where FF was winning share by the boatload against a stagnant competitor, Chrome is super actively developed, active and heavily pushed by Google. Basically FF is now kept alive by Google the way you’d keep a single competitor city alive in Civilization to ensure you game wouldn’t end with a military/domination victory. FF is a Native American reservation surrounded by white folks not giving a shit about what happens on your dust bowl.

        But yes, FF for life for me!

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        First time someone defends Apple, and for a good reason too.

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          Sure, it’s open-source, but Google essentially controls it. That is literally why they forked WebKit. And websites are starting to rely on Chromium’s quirks. Firefox and Safari will have to choose between following standards or Google’s quirks. Not ideal at all.

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            Back when I used Chrome, I kept getting bug reports about things not working on FF.

            Now that I use FF, it always just works on Chrome.

            Feels good to know my website is always working :)

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    I hate chromium.

    It acts like chrome because IT IS CHROME!!! Minus the obvious branding and proprietary “Google-y bits” Unfortunately it’s the same codebase.

    At least Firefox at it’s core truly differs.

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      And much more private, and you can make it more private by hardening it!

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      The only reason Chromium exists is because Google is bound by the original license when they bought it, which is copyleft. So they have to release an open source version, which is Chromium. Google Chrome is their flagship product and is proprietary and hence is the one that bears the Google branding and colours.

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    Yeah, ain’t this the truth. Firefox and safari are the only browsers that arent chromium based. We must protect Firefox at all coats! Without it, Google would have a monopoly on the browser space… a world I would not like to live in.

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    Firefox is the best. There is only Firefox.

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          So there are a few reasons I’m personally interested in it:

          • It isn’t being created as the “heart” of a browser - i.e. it is a project to develop the engine and not to develop a browser
          • Supported by the Linux Foundation rather than any of the tech corps like Facebook or Google
          • Written in Rust - I’m not claiming that this is good because of the language technology itself but Rust is currently very popular with lots of people wanting to learn it and contribute to projects so hopefully this inspires people to get involved with it.
          • Not a KHTML/WebKit/Blink (or even a Gecko) fork
          • Repo is on GitHub - Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a GitHub shill, but generally people monitor and know how to use GitHub better than Google and Mozilla’s systems. I’d honestly be just as happy if using GitLab or any other alternatives as they still confirm to that same user experience (and to be fair WebKit is also on GitHub).

          And none of those touch on the technology itself which, honestly, I’m not experienced enough to speak on why it is as good as/better/worse than KHTML/WebKit/Blink or Gecko. Words and phrases like “memory safety”, “parallelizing” and “performance” are thrown around but I’ll leave that to the judgement of those who know better. You might like to have a look at some of the links in https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Browser-Engine-Research if you are interested in that front.

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        From what I understand, Gecko was a terrible engine from the get-go. It is also difficult to work with, and had a lot of idiosyncrasies that made hard to build anything that isn’t just a clone of Firefox. There’s a reason why Apple used KHTML as the basis of Safari and not Gecko. Even Brave is based off of Chromium, and the founder of Brave is one of Mozilla’s founders!

        So apparently no, Gecko is not it. We need something closer to a pure browser engine that is open source.

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        When that source, open or otherwise, is unilaterally controlled by Google, that doesn’t really mean much

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          No, it’s not. It’s open source and can be modified from Google’s baseline to be free of their restrictions by anyone who cares to put in the work, like Brave and Vivaldi.

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            Are people able to make meaningful contributions to the project upstream to steer the direction of the web as an open platform?

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              In every way Linux has the potential to in a world where 99% of people would rather just use Windows, sure.

              Most people are just going to use Chrome and don’t give a shit. If you’re developing/using a different browser then yeah you probably have the ability to significantly impact the way web browsing happens going forward. As any fork of chromium is it’s own thing and has the ability to become the new standard.

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        People are worried that Google controls the project. Anyone using Chromium is basically making their own version of Chrome but with extra features.

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    Ah… the first repost I’ve seen on the threadiverse thus far. I hope this doesn’t become a trend.