I’m sure many new users are curious.
This whole system is a lot newer than most services you’ve used on the Internet. It’s under constant change. Expect it to look different next week, month, or year.
Agreed. The systems are being flooded from the migration. Communities are quickly being formed. A little patience and people rolling up their sleeves to make it better go a long way.
Filter by New so you don’t see the same few posts every time to open Lemmy.
… or
top dayif you want more established posts with lively comment sections that age out after 24h.I’ve found that once you subscribe to enough active communities, that ceases to be a problem (assuming you’re not checking it every few minutes).
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Can you explain the migration tools, or lack thereof.
In the mastodon/Calckey world you can migrate your account on one instance to a new account on a new instance and all the people following you will transfer and automatically follow your new account. So you don’t have to be all “Hey moving to [xyz new instance] follow me there!”
That’s something that’s in the works for kbin and Lemmy some day
I’m curious if that works with unfederated servers or servers that simple just get shutdown. Ie xyz government decides to raid the servers, (is there redundancy in the data?)
I guess the main challenge would be proving to the new instance that the old offline instance authorized the transfer, maybe something like a keypair could be generated with each account and a signed proof attached to the user profile that gets federated around as other servers receive user profile objects, then provide an account backup function that lets you save the keys as a file so the importing server can verify the key and federate the change of ownership of content to other instances somehow.
Currently, no. Right now you tell your new instance to expect a transfer from your old. Then you tell your old your new instance and if they match, the transfer begins. In your example, you wouldn’t be able to do half the steps needed so it would fail. And since each server is unique, it would be up to them whether or not there were any backups or not.
Thanks! Are the systems standalone or can they be distributed or mirrored? Seems like a potental single point of failure if the instance is literally running on someone’s personal server.
That is unfortunately beyond my knowledge. I’ve never read up on settimg up an instance so I’m not sure. From the user side, I don’t think most people mirror their instances, since most are volunteers renting space somewhere or running a small home instance for themselves or a small group.
I have seen the owner of an instance announce that they were shutting down in three months and to find a new home on a couple of occasions. Not quite the same, but a similar impermanence.
Gotcha, thank you for explaining. I’m new to Lemmy and have a vague understanding of Mastodon lol, but I’m learning.
I guess they’re talking about migrating your account from an instance to another
If you have to move your account to a new instance you’ll lose your post and comment history. Mastodon has an account migration feature so you can leave your instance without losing your history/identity.
On lemmy, you can tick off ‘show read posts’ in settings, so viewed posts are hidden.
This has been quite useful in keeping my feed fresh.
There isn’t explicitly a profit motive on here (unlike almost every other big social media site).
So you can do away with the clickbait-y, karma or like farming…
We don’t do that here.
“So you can do away with the clickbait-y, karma or like farming…”
Are there many individual users who participate in these type of activities?
My understanding is that a lot of it is automated: farming with the intent to make accounts look legitimate and eventually manipulate public opinion to whatever ends (like selling a product/service).
Is kbin doing anything different that would curb or dissuade such behavior?
Yeah, but the ROI here is way less since the users are more savvy initially. Eventually it’ll homogenize out and you’ll get auto bots.
This post written by a meat popsicle.
Corben Dallas?!?
Chicken good.
Just wait until things grow. Those people will come once there is an audience to extract money from.
On that note, upvotes and downvotes upvote matter even less here (“here” meaning kbin) as the factor dictating comment order in the “hot” ranking is boosting (think retweet equivalent), not the vote count.
Not sure how that goes on Lemmy though.
Wait so when I boost a comment it appears on my feed or something? I am a bit confused
As far as kbin is concerned, it will appear under the “boosted” category. Some platforms handle this differently. To take a random user as an example, this fosstodon user has a bunch of posts which will show up separately from their boosts when viewed from kbin. But looking at their profile from Fosstodon itself, you will see posts and boosts mixed together as is the norm on Mastodon.
How are they able to post from their mastadon account? Do you link your mastadon account to kbin somehow?
That’s the federated aspect of those platforms at work. Assuming both instances of a given platform on the Fediverse (here, Fosstodon and kbin.social) are federated together, which they are by default, content from both will be accessible from users of the instances.
I am also confused, but I’ll take a stab at it. Boost is basically retweet in Twitter. Stronger than upvotes since it hits a wider audience.
Eh, I don’t see that changing here. There’s no explicit profit motive on Reddit either (at least, not in terms of the Reddit account), but it still happens. Companies are incentivized to have titles that get clicks, and users just like seeing the number go up. It’s just what happens.
Don’t forget to hit the CTRL button when clicking on any external links so they open in a new tab. Basically pretend it’s 2012 again.
Or use the middle mouse button.
Or long press on a phone or tablet.
Or middle click on a mouse.
Or cmd+click for Mac users.
When you submit a reply or a post, always save it to your clipboard first. Lemmy has swallowed my responses many many times. In fact, it took me about 5-6 attempts to submit this comment.
Did you also save to clipboard the last sentence?
I yolo’d the last sentence. For what it’s worth, i think something is not right with my profile and the language settings. But I have learned to expect nothing to work. And when it does, i am pleasantly surprised.
I suspect 503 is eating some comments and posts.
I don’t know what it is, but it only happens on lemmy.ml.
I can’t use the Android app anymore, it’ll just say language_not_allowed, and in the web app i have to explicitly set English for it to work.
Set your language preference to undecided and English so all posts display correctly. I kept seeing communities with “no posts” till I did this
I also can’t find this setting. I’m assuming it’s not part of kbin.
It might be a Lemmy-specific issue. Haven’t seen any dead groups in kbin yet. Can’t find any language option in either of the settings areas.
I do get a fair bit of German “Ich Iel” posts in All though.
I’m not too familiar with kbin but if you’ve been experiencing invisible posts then it could be worth suggesting it as a feature? Hopefully things like this get better ironed out soon
I cant even see mine in my magazine unless I hit the hashtag.
Where’s that setting located? Just looked around a bit and couldn’t find it. Browser, OS, or Lemmy? And thanks for the tip :)
I have a lemmy account and that’s where I saw it, above theme
@npastaSyn Thanks to ActivityPub you can use Lemmy/Kbin and other fediverse social networks without the need of making a new account in them.
Right now I’m writing this from Mastodon.
If I were about making an account probably I’ll go to lemmy.ca people over there seem extra chill.Like adding extra Lemmy to an order of Lemmy.
Please tell me how I can follow a magazine / community in Mastodon. I tried to do it but would only see a random comment, not the OP of a post or any of the other comments. When I would click on the comment it would take me directly to Kbin or Lemmy. (Which is fine, since I’m mainly on Kbin for the message board feel and on Mastodon for the miceoblog experience.)
Are you talking about subscribing to a magazine? I do it on mobile by clicking the magazine I want, clicking the top left square button modal with the 3 lines, then scroll down until you see the magazine name to click Subscribe
I was trying to subscribe to kbin magazines and Lemmy communities in Mastodon. When I’ve done it, they show up incomplete in Mastodon. But maybe there were initial issues with info coming across so I might try it again. Then again, I don’t mind being on kbin to see kbin and Lemmy posts, and being in Mastodon to see only Mastodon posts.
On thing that is annoying for me is that the subscription button would make more sense at the top.
@Very_Bad_Janet @npastaSyn Here you have a guide that @vjprema wrote on his website.
Probably he can make one explaining how to do it in Kbin too.https://vijayprema.com/using-lemmy-from-my-existing-mastodon/
Thanks. I did this on mobile, maybe thats why it doesn’t work that way for me. Or I can try again, maybe there were some initial issues with federating.
Question: is there a way to save posts or comments?
Yes of course. In the web app there’s a little star icon you can click and on jebora theres a little badge next to the vote buttons
At least on my instance, you can click the three dots under the post to open up some expanded options, then click the star to save the post.
On Jerboa, there should be a little bookmark icon under each post.
Oh hey, the star is there for me too. As an old, I sometimes have issues recognizing all the diverse pictograms that modern tech design uses. Many of them are not intuitive, or are not standardized enough to assume any meaning without prior experience. In this case they’re also really tiny on a phone screen.
Thanks for the tip.
Commenting to see if anyone answers this because I don’t know how to save it
Jerboa has a save flag on each and every comment and post. You can view them under the Saved section of the slide out menu
if you’re asking for kbin, I think there is no way at the moment, but I’m sure the developers will add it soon. kbin is a newer aggregator compared to lemmy
Yes you click the star to save post and comments and it’s in the more button next to the reply button if you don’t see it.
If you want Lemmy to be successful, contribute as much high quality content as possible so more people will be inclined to stay here. Don’t lurk.
Absolutely this. If you are looking for a community and you have issues finding, make it easier to find by letting others know. If it doesn’t exist or lacking content, add it or build it.
Also, upvotes and comments help build trust to the content.
See an article you like? upvote and comment some quotes that seem important.
Join a kbin instance and also join a Lemmy instance. Neither one is very stable yet (kbin has only been out a couple months) so I suggest using kbin until it starts having issues then switching to Lemmy for a while.
Aren’t they cross compatible? I’m still fuzzy on the differences. Also lemmy instances were getting hammered, (as it looks like the kbin are too now), so thus my choice of kbin.
The downtime is getting better though. I made this kbin account like 2 days ago and logged off right away cuz I was trying to figure out magazines and each time I clicked something, it said I was not logged in and I had to relog.
Today I’m trying it out again and everything is working, though sometimes I get a 503 error if I try to open a page or post something
Normally, yes! You can browse and interact with lemmy communities from kbin and vice versa with absolutely no problems.
However, since both are still so new, it’s common for one or both to crash. And if your home interface is down, you won’t be able to vote or comment anywhere until it comes back online-- even on other instances which are still up. So if you’re an impatient person (like me, lol), it makes sense to make an account on each, so if one crashes you can switch to the other.
It’s like two different boats in the same ocean. Sort of.
Yes, they are cross compatible. That’s why I recommend having both accounts for the downtime.
Ah… specifically for when one if the services is unavailable. Thanks for the clarification.
Can somebody ELI5 the difference between kbin and lemmy. I think I understand lemmy being like mastadon. Who is hosting kbin?
I’m no expert but I can do my best. Kbin was created by @ernest, and is actually a very young platform compared to even Lemmy. It let’s you post threads, similar to Reddit or Lemmy. Like Lemmy, it also uses something called ActivityPub, which means that Kbin users can see and comment on Lemmy threads and vice versa as long as the instances (ex. Lemmy.world, kbin.social) are “federated” meaning that they are talking to each other.
One of the big differences is that Kbin supports microblogging as well, similar to a Mastodon or Twitter post. Because of this, you can see and interact with content on Mastodon from Kbin much more easily, which also uses ActivityPub. Lemmy can also technically interact with Mastodon but it is not as seamless as threads don’t display that well on a microblog and vice versa.
There’s some more technical and cultural differences as well but I think that’s the biggest difference in function.
Kbin is also like Mastadon. It’s basically the same thing as lemmy, just with a slightly different user interface. (I personally like it better, which is why I’m here, lol.)
The main kbin instance, kbin.social, is hosted by a guy called @Ernest, who’s also the main (only?) dev who created kbin. But there are other kbin instances hosted by totally unaffiliated people, too.
Just looked into this myself. They have different github projects.
They use the same protocols but different experience. Like buying a chocolate bar from different stores, you get different layout and clerk service but basically the same candy bar.
(I’m also new so someone correct me if I’m wrong).
Possibly the wrong place to ask but is anyone aware if there is a way to see a list of your favorites/upvotes in kbin?
Yup, just go to https://kbin.social/fav
Thanks!
go to <insert lemmy instance url>/communities/listing_type/All/page/1 to find communities.
The full link beleive is…
https://lemmy.ml/communities/listing_type/All/page/1
I’m on kbin.social myself.
