The commies are proven right every damn time. It’s like we’ve got some sort of clairvoyance.
In the sense of being new information, this isn’t news. Israel wanting to decimate the population of Gaza isn’t news. There being US-backed nazis in the Ukraine wasn’t news, nor was Zelesky beinga puppet who’d destroy his country, the US wanting war with Russia, there not being a genocide in Xinjiang, Iraq not having WMDs, Saddam not being behing 9/11 and so on and so on.
It’s not news to us but it is news to the majority of the population here in the West who for decades have not been exposed to anything other than the lies of the liberal imperialist propaganda apparatus.
I am just wondering how western elite thought that Russia gaining all the Donbass, kherson and others would be beneficial for them. Lol 😂 . This ukraine thing is the biggest loss for the West and US
Initially they really deluded themselves into thinking they could defeat or at least severely degrade Russia. Instead all they managed to do is make Russia much, much stronger in all respects: militarily, economically and diplomatically.
The West all but admits the first two, and the only reason they still can’t see the last is because they are stuck in their bubble where they think that the entire “international community” consists only of the West and its vassals.
I’ve been under the impression that the game plan was to use Ukraine as a quagmire to tie up Russia, test new technologies, force the EU into an even more subservient, buffer state role, and use Ukraine as a martyr to rally Russophobic Western sentiments and manufacture consent for new “security” measures in the West that would further silence opposition. I feel the ultimate goal was really China - using the martyred Ukraine as a call to arms to “save Taiwan”, as it were (the news painting Russia as villainous made a big deal of effort trying to tie China to everything Russia did in the war, and comparing the situation in Ukraine to the situation with Taiwan).
It’s the only thing I could think of that made any kind of sense. The only alternative is that they genuinely believed Ukraine could have beaten Russia with only military aid. I don’t doubt some people in positions of power could be convinced of that, but at the highest levels I have to believe this was just another attempt by the US to keep Russia off-balance enough that the US could try and cut China down.
Disagree. While they did achieved lot of points especially with EU, they really hoped for Russia to collapse or at least plunge into crisis which will force it to retreat, regime change and comply with US imperialism (that’s why Ukraine was never planned to militarily win, they just had to stand for a time and that’s why the initial loss of much territory was irrelevant to US).
It’s not the 4D chess, US really fucked it big time with consequences mounting, and it’s not really surprising considering their plan makers isn’t what they used to be during cold war.
I feel the ultimate goal was really China - using the martyred Ukraine as a call to arms to “save Taiwan”, as it were (the news painting Russia as villainous made a big deal of effort trying to tie China to everything Russia did in the war, and comparing the situation in Ukraine to the situation with Taiwan).
Yes, the ultimate target was China, but not like this. More directly, the most dangerous thing for US is either EU-Russia or Russia-China scenario. Neutralising Russia would do away with both, put US in much stronger position against China and ensure continuation of US hegemony for forseeable future. So while they succeeded in breaking up the EU-Russia closing and severly delayed EU-China, they pushed Russia closest to China they were since the Sino-Soviet split.
Yours is absolutely correct. Bidens , UK, Germans are a big time dumb people.
I agree, and in addition, they wanted to sell off all their old stockpiled weapons to make way for new ones. Part of it was literally just a fire sale to lush out old product.
always important to remember that the military is a for profit enterprise. You can’t separate the military from the people making the military’s stuff. There is a collection of extremely powerful corporations that are constantly banging the war drums.
Not really, the whole point was to destroy Europe.
The US simply cannot afford to have Europe backing China in the coming showdown between the two giants. Nord Stream 2 construction was completed in 2021, and its certification kept getting delayed to prevent the Europeans from gaining energy sovereignty, after which they will no longer need to be dependent the US. Hence the war in Ukraine was needed to sever the connection between Europe and Eurasia.
The Ukraine war was dragged out precisely to allow this strategic goal of the US empire to be achieved.
I think the ukraine war was provoked to weaken and bleed Russia . It didn’t happen. Europe never had any independence since WW2. It always had close ties with the US but since the ukraine war, Europe has become a joke for the people of the 3rd world. As a person from 3rd world I have no sympathy for Europeans ans their cucked NATO left. German, French government supporting Israel have no shame either. Ukraine war has showed the 3rd world , US is just a paper tiger and the reign of tyranny by NATO and atlantic countries is over.
That doesn’t mean the Europeans didn’t try though.
The US financial capital took a huge hit in the aftermath of the 2009 financial crisis and at the same time, Nord Stream 1 came online in Germany that allowed Europe to recover its industrial sector relatively quickly and pulled it out of the eurozone crisis and the recession. Euro went up to 30% stronger than the dollar. It was Europe’s chance to gain its energy sovereignty and independence from a weakened US capitalism. That’s why they went and built a second Nord Stream pipeline. And that’s why this motion had to be stopped.
Europe and ex colonial countries like France got rich by exploiting Africa and allowing IMF to do austerity on the 3rd world. No sympathy for Europe and the US. Let them suffer and vanish into a bygone era.
Nordstream was disliked by the US agencies, it was Merkel who had some courage but now you have cucked governments. European governments will always be racist, vassals of US.
what historical and dialectical materialism does to mfers
- Ukraine gets goaded into conflict with Russia *
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Ukraine loses 100,000 soldiers
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Western powers shovel military hardware into Ukraine
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
*Ukrainian politicians openly discuss Nazi talking points with Western politicians who feel the same way *
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Ukraine loses half a million soldiers
Ukraine: We’re Western, yes?
The west: *big thumbs up * Yes!
Western powers begin losing interest as the consequences of the war on them are getting untenable
Ukraine: desperately We’re Western, yes?
The west: I’m sorry babe not tonight, I have a headache
We’re Western, yes?
*big thumbs up * Yes!
A very Latin American exchange!
Gotta wonder if we’re going to be reading Op-Eds from Netanyahu heads in a few years.
Something about how the Israelis were ready to pull back, but they just kept getting green flags from Blinken and Biden to push further into Gaza territory.
I believe US will be in utter chaos in next few years.
I believe US will be in utter chaos in next few years.
we must hope so
Interesting. We shall see. I thought it would be 15-30 years, but, my hypnogogic moments have been plagued with an inescapable sense that the time was sooner than later. I heard the sound of angels the other day while on a walk…
Didn’t Ukraine literally execute the peace negotiation people?
Is the Times of Israel a good source for this? Their sources are two tweets and a Facebook post along with the heavy use of the word “alleged”.
It’s been fairly widely reported at the time even in western media. I was just too lazy to dig for a better source.
I looked into it more, and found a bunch of articles on the assassination. I was just put off by the Times of Israel at a glance.
Guess that’s enough to get listed as an anti-commie lib judging off of the wonderful reply.
The ruthless criticism of all that exists. Israel doesn’t exist. Ergo, its Times is exempt from criticism.
The Times have transcended human understanding and are the paramount of truth.
We should all solely get our news from them.
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The hell? Thanks for hitting me with a bizarre stray for simply asking about a source.
Also, what happened to the northern pincers from Belarus? They didn’t move from Ukraine to Belarus, they started in Belarus, acted as a diversionary assault, took large causalities, and pulled back when the position became untenable and more assistance and attention was needed for the Donetsk front.
Or are you saying that the Russian Army itself is lying? They are my source, what’s yours?
You specifically said Russia lost the battle of kiev and moved to belarus after the defeat. These skirmishes are nothing. Russian army was standing still for 2 weeks when they surrounded the suburbs of Kiev. I remember, our communist newspapers were reporting that Russian army was standing still because of an acute water crisis in Kiev and some negotiations happening in Turkey. After that negotiations, Russia pulled out from Kiev. Putin, Lavrov said several times why they did it (negotiations) long before these clowns and Israeli PM had any convo about peace agreement.
Like many of your outdated takes , you can’t admit that you were wrong 😌🤣
Again, everything you are saying is completely devoid of reality and the exactly opposite of what the Minoborony and army themselves have stated. Are you Putin himself? Are you telling me you know more then the Russian Ministry of Defense?
“Our nameless communist newspapers”? Ok? That’s the best source you have?
I was in the Gomel Oblast visiting family as the assault itself was underway. A terrible place to be in light of the war, but guess who you got to meet a lot of in a Belarusian border city? Soldiers on leave. Guess what were the things they discussed and the gruesome details they shared? Yes they had seized ground, but they were never supposed to meaningfully hold it, only draw Ukrainian units away from the front line, and they could not sustain their losses or hold their positions with their current supply lines and unit strength, so they were pulling back to redeploy to Donetsk. They were never supposed to achieve “victory” in Kiev.
Guess what that’s identical to? The Russian MOD outline for why the drive in Kiev was planned! Who would have thought?
But I’m sorry Marshal Zhukov. You know best, and you are a military genius when it comes to this.
jfc
“by something or someone”
Come on you cowards! Say the names! Boris Johnson on behalf of Emperor Joe
and then he got Toy Storied lmao
edit: what isn’t a laughing matter though, is that now thousands to millions of working class people have to deal with possibly decades of landmine-ridden quagmire. great job you dumb fucks
Interesting that Arestovich thinks he will not be extradited, as he is living in the US. Sure, USA has some pull and sure, Ukraine is a bit busy at the moment, but he will get extradited, you can trust the USA as far as you can throw it
He’s an opportunist through and through, i’m sure he’s hedged all his bets. Also there is a good chance he is still an asset of a certain faction in the US deep state. Not the one that controls Zelensky and is still all-in on continuing the war, but a rival faction that sees the bigger picture and is worried about the damage this quagmire is doing to the empire.
I am just wondering what’s the point of this war even. Trump Republicans don’t want this war but certainly all dems are into it. Russia seems have no interest to move or they are just happy with the pace of war 🤣
The point, now that Plan A - degrading or defeating Russia - has failed, is Plan B - degrade and subjugate Europe. In this respect it is safe to say they are succeeding at the moment. Germany is rapidly deindustrializing, entering into a deep recession while at the same time becoming more and more dependent on and controlled by the US. And as Germany goes so does the EU. The US needs this new colonial subordination of Europe to make up for its empire receding everywhere else in the world. It gets to stave off its own decline by cannibalizing the industry and economic base of Europe.
Man, this decade will bring the worst of us. Nazis in Europe and Hindutvavadi in India. Find me another planet
The murder-curious, sickly, apocalypse obsessed American fascists when finally let off their chain to play will be the worst of them all.
I see no option in which the guy would just go and openly said this. He was certainly moved by some agency hand in his ass.
unherd
oh for fucks sake, come on
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Not gonna happen. Seethe.
Why would Russia pull back when they’ve already comprehensively defeated the NATO proxy?
Tried calling Putin, he didn’t answer. Its almost as if I have zero influence on him
After Stoltenberg and David Arakhamia admitted it, everybody has realized by now that Nato membership always was at the core of this conflict.
So, no, there is not only one person who can end this war. Not even liberals should be dumb enough to believe that line to begin with.
Assuming you don’t live in a dream world: What exactly is the realistic goal you have that more bloodshed will achieve?
If my fellow Western idiots had listened to us, Ukraine would have 20% more land and hundreds of thousands more people would be alive and Germanys tanking economy with military keynesianism knocking wouldn’t be at risk of turning the 30s of the 21st century into the 30s of the 20th century
You’re playing a little game that you pretend is fueled by care for Ukrainians (- those in Donbas and leftists), whose country you could not point to on a map 3 years ago, but is actually fueled by a media-induced need to see Putin humiliated.
This is the fucking real world where people aren’t just flag-emojis and nuclear weapons aren’t a boardgame that you can smugly flip over and where the “bad guys” aren’t cackling in secret about doing evil but where real contexts are distorted for propagandistic purposes.
Snap the fuck out of your infantile world view and start trying to understand war in order to prevent it or take the blue pill and accept that politics just isn’t your cup of tea.
There is too much at stake. We can never stop explaining but we can’t parent people either
US will also be dead. Get over it. Lol. Russia and China is the future.
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Anything short of russia leaving all the stolen land isn’t favourable.
Russia will just take whatever agreement they have signed, rebuild, then spit all over that agreement and do whatever they can to benefit from the suffering of others. Their country doesn’t even have to profit, just the elite.
Just crawl back to your sewer already.
Is that what russia wants sewers? Can’t built their own because all the money going to the oligarchs, got to steal Ukraines.
Thanks for letting us know how much you’re seething there. Life’s gonna get hard for you, good luck.
what even is this 😂
The land was stolen from the Ukranian people by the US Nazi puppet government. Russia liberating it is the next best thing.
That sounds like an interesting and unique perspective I haven’t heard before, can you cite examples of Russia doing this sort of thing in the past? I haven’t heard of them breaking agreements like that, it sounds awful for a country to do things like that.
Just start here and go from there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories
Sorry, that link doesn’t work for me for some reason, can you send me a difference source if you have one?
Probably being caught in your brainwashed filter. Bet nothings going to get through.
Aaw, was hoping for a more interesting response than that. You’re really unoriginal.
Cry about it, slava Russia. Here’s hoping Russia liberates Ukraine right up to Kiev (the Galicians and Volhynians can have their quaint little Blackrock Nazi fiefdom, what’s left of it). The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
The concept of “brainwashing” was invented — by a CIA agent posing as a journalist — precisely because Westerners needed a way to reflexively dismiss the phenomenon whereby their own troops were being persuaded of communist ideas during communist captivity:
The idea of “brain-washing” can be credited to Edward Hunter, a CIA-funded writer and editor, who in 1950 started writing articles and books on the subject. His thesis was that Red China and the Soviet Union could control the minds of their respective citizenry — which explained how susceptible Americans captured on foreign soil would be.
This new category, supposedly qualitatively different from normal ideology acquisition, itself turns out to be simply an ideological distinction without a difference.
favourable for who? the losers from this conflict are the ukranian people, the goverment failing to reach a peace deal is literally terrorism against the ukranian people.
