I’m not sure how you can say you’re being misrepresented when you say:
Yeah, maybe. But is it usually better to err on the side of caution and often the devil you know is better than an unknown one (as shown by history over and over again).
You’re literally saying that it’s better to stick with capitalism than to move to a Soviet style system that would result from ML approach.
Meanwhile, the only one here with a fundamentally flawed understanding of why USSR failed is you as clearly evidenced by your nonsensical claims in prior comments. The fact that you lack basic intellectual honesty to acknowledge that USSR existed under duress discredits any arguments you make against it.
My reading of the original quote was that we are already fighting the beast, so why take a dangerous detour with provably-failed methods to do so? So it’s not that capitalism is exactly better, but why trade a wrong for a different kind of wrong?
Failed is an interesting word to use when describing liberation of billions of people from the yoke of capitalism and colonialism. Only somebody who’ve never had to personally experience capitalist exploitation would make the sort of false equivalence you’re making between communist and capitalist states.
Millions of people “liberated” so they can work in the people’s factories and labor camps, spend time in the people’s prisons for political activities, be executed for being gay or muslim, and starve while those in power feast in abundance. Please tell me more about how that’s different from capitalism?!
(i’ll ignore the ad-hominem which really doesn’t serve your point :))
Are you saying the queer/muslim massacres of Stalin are just a dream? That Trotsky’s political police was in fact throwing parties with the people they disappeared? Or that the labor camps were just a day spa for exhausted workers? I implore you to learn a modicum of history.
This is not a terribly intelligent argument. Nobody claimed USSR was some perfect society, and I’m frankly not aware of any human societies where atrocities don’t happen. Humans do bad things regardless of what system they create. Thinking that anarchist society would be all ponies and rainbows is incredibly naive.
What USSR should actually be judged on is whether the system overall was an improvement on how people lived previously. This is a fact that only a person who lacks any intellectual integrity would deny.
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I’m not sure how you can say you’re being misrepresented when you say:
You’re literally saying that it’s better to stick with capitalism than to move to a Soviet style system that would result from ML approach.
Meanwhile, the only one here with a fundamentally flawed understanding of why USSR failed is you as clearly evidenced by your nonsensical claims in prior comments. The fact that you lack basic intellectual honesty to acknowledge that USSR existed under duress discredits any arguments you make against it.
My reading of the original quote was that we are already fighting the beast, so why take a dangerous detour with provably-failed methods to do so? So it’s not that capitalism is exactly better, but why trade a wrong for a different kind of wrong?
Failed is an interesting word to use when describing liberation of billions of people from the yoke of capitalism and colonialism. Only somebody who’ve never had to personally experience capitalist exploitation would make the sort of false equivalence you’re making between communist and capitalist states.
Millions of people “liberated” so they can work in the people’s factories and labor camps, spend time in the people’s prisons for political activities, be executed for being gay or muslim, and starve while those in power feast in abundance. Please tell me more about how that’s different from capitalism?!
(i’ll ignore the ad-hominem which really doesn’t serve your point :))
I implore you to learn a modicum of history.
Are you saying the queer/muslim massacres of Stalin are just a dream? That Trotsky’s political police was in fact throwing parties with the people they disappeared? Or that the labor camps were just a day spa for exhausted workers? I implore you to learn a modicum of history.
This is not a terribly intelligent argument. Nobody claimed USSR was some perfect society, and I’m frankly not aware of any human societies where atrocities don’t happen. Humans do bad things regardless of what system they create. Thinking that anarchist society would be all ponies and rainbows is incredibly naive.
What USSR should actually be judged on is whether the system overall was an improvement on how people lived previously. This is a fact that only a person who lacks any intellectual integrity would deny.