Please do some research and stop perpetuating this myth.
XMPP is not E2E encrypted by default.
Conversations does OMEMO by default.
There isn’t a single other XMPP client out there that does OMEMO by default, not one. They have support for it, but they very much do not enable it by default.
Every time a friend of mine uses a different messenger, I have to remind after getting a load of unencrypted messages to hit the damn padlock icon in their new client.
Easy, it doesn’t help if your friend goes onto discover another XMPP messenger (cause they want their messages on their laptop/iOS or something else).
There’s no global OMEMO option for these either, you have to remember to enable OMEMO for every single conversation. The community has been asking for this for years on github, but the developers just never bother to enable it.
OK, I have signal-desktop open over here (you can download yourself from the link I gave you above as well - here’s a help guide that should take you 2 minutes to go through), and I can see all my chats with my contacts, and I can send them a message, and look; it’s end-to-end encrypted - WhatsApp works the exact same way.
Let’s try that with my XMPP account, I can send a message to a friend of mine on Conversations, and it’s OMEMO encrypted by default, great.
iPhone is total crap … apparently there are some similar XMPP clients for it.
Unfortunately, a significant chunk of the world population disagrees with you, and they need a good XMPP client if you’re going to take XMPP mainstream. Here’s a spoiler for you: all the XMPP iOS clients suck (I have actually tried them all) and Signal/WhatsApp of course have apps on iOS that work. By the way, did you know all of Apple’s pushes are powered by XMPP?
Anyway, I’m done with this thread, not only have you shown that you are ignorant of how the platform you are espousing works and its limitations, you also have this arrogant “it works for me, therefore it has to work for everyone else” attitude - which just isn’t how the world works.
Even though I’m a fan of XMPP myself, if you ever wonder why security-conscious people (for example here) recommend Signal instead of it - it’s precisely because they know that E2EE Just Works over there.
Please do some research and stop perpetuating this myth.
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Easy, it doesn’t help if your friend goes onto discover another XMPP messenger (cause they want their messages on their laptop/iOS or something else).
There’s no global OMEMO option for these either, you have to remember to enable OMEMO for every single conversation. The community has been asking for this for years on github, but the developers just never bother to enable it.
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They do exist?
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Please show me how I can run Conversations on:
Once you’ve done that, feel free to join us at https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/1838 where people are actually trying to fix the issue.
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OK, I have signal-desktop open over here (you can download yourself from the link I gave you above as well - here’s a help guide that should take you 2 minutes to go through), and I can see all my chats with my contacts, and I can send them a message, and look; it’s end-to-end encrypted - WhatsApp works the exact same way.
Let’s try that with my XMPP account, I can send a message to a friend of mine on Conversations, and it’s OMEMO encrypted by default, great.
Now let’s try using dino.im, same contact… oh, it didn’t use OMEMO - I thought some dude on Lemmy said that all of XMPP was end-to-end encrypted by default?
Unfortunately, a significant chunk of the world population disagrees with you, and they need a good XMPP client if you’re going to take XMPP mainstream. Here’s a spoiler for you: all the XMPP iOS clients suck (I have actually tried them all) and Signal/WhatsApp of course have apps on iOS that work. By the way, did you know all of Apple’s pushes are powered by XMPP?
Anyway, I’m done with this thread, not only have you shown that you are ignorant of how the platform you are espousing works and its limitations, you also have this arrogant “it works for me, therefore it has to work for everyone else” attitude - which just isn’t how the world works.
Even though I’m a fan of XMPP myself, if you ever wonder why security-conscious people (for example here) recommend Signal instead of it - it’s precisely because they know that E2EE Just Works over there.