OK, I have signal-desktop open over here (you can download yourself from the link I gave you above as well - here’s a help guide that should take you 2 minutes to go through), and I can see all my chats with my contacts, and I can send them a message, and look; it’s end-to-end encrypted - WhatsApp works the exact same way.
Let’s try that with my XMPP account, I can send a message to a friend of mine on Conversations, and it’s OMEMO encrypted by default, great.
iPhone is total crap … apparently there are some similar XMPP clients for it.
Unfortunately, a significant chunk of the world population disagrees with you, and they need a good XMPP client if you’re going to take XMPP mainstream. Here’s a spoiler for you: all the XMPP iOS clients suck (I have actually tried them all) and Signal/WhatsApp of course have apps on iOS that work. By the way, did you know all of Apple’s pushes are powered by XMPP?
Anyway, I’m done with this thread, not only have you shown that you are ignorant of how the platform you are espousing works and its limitations, you also have this arrogant “it works for me, therefore it has to work for everyone else” attitude - which just isn’t how the world works.
Even though I’m a fan of XMPP myself, if you ever wonder why security-conscious people (for example here) recommend Signal instead of it - it’s precisely because they know that E2EE Just Works over there.
Neither the Signal deskop client, not the WhatsApp web client are true clients
You’re wrong on the Signal desktop point, it is a full fledged client on it’s own and can work without the mobile app.
As for the Dino example… well it shows it prominently enough that the connection is not excrypted,
No, it doesn’t. Dino just shows you a tiny padlock after the fact. There’s even a Github issue complaining that it’s not obvious: https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/971
I am honestly getting a bit tired of people having higher expectations of XMPP then even what the systems people compare it to do
Well, until these issues are fixed, noone, absolutely noone is going to recommend XMPP to anyone.
I don’t really care as iOS is insecure by default and due to the software mono-culture is trivial to exploit
Yet again, wrong; iOS is both significantly more secure and more user friendly than any Android/Linux phone out there with maybe the exception of GrapheneOS.
Yes, you link it once with your Android phone and then it’s a client on its own with its on messaging queue on the server. So no, you are wrong and don’t actually know what you are talking about.
Anyway, I’m not an iOS user in any shape or form, but I recognize that it’s a good platform, and far better suited for normal people than the fragmented mess that Android is.
Oh, and just to show you more ignorance on your part: gajim.org is another desktop XMPP client that has existed since… 2004, and also doesn’t do OMEMO by default and also doesn’t make it obvious that you’re not doing OMEMO. If a 17 year old app isn’t production ready, what is?
Please show me how I can run Conversations on:
Once you’ve done that, feel free to join us at https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/1838 where people are actually trying to fix the issue.
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OK, I have signal-desktop open over here (you can download yourself from the link I gave you above as well - here’s a help guide that should take you 2 minutes to go through), and I can see all my chats with my contacts, and I can send them a message, and look; it’s end-to-end encrypted - WhatsApp works the exact same way.
Let’s try that with my XMPP account, I can send a message to a friend of mine on Conversations, and it’s OMEMO encrypted by default, great.
Now let’s try using dino.im, same contact… oh, it didn’t use OMEMO - I thought some dude on Lemmy said that all of XMPP was end-to-end encrypted by default?
Unfortunately, a significant chunk of the world population disagrees with you, and they need a good XMPP client if you’re going to take XMPP mainstream. Here’s a spoiler for you: all the XMPP iOS clients suck (I have actually tried them all) and Signal/WhatsApp of course have apps on iOS that work. By the way, did you know all of Apple’s pushes are powered by XMPP?
Anyway, I’m done with this thread, not only have you shown that you are ignorant of how the platform you are espousing works and its limitations, you also have this arrogant “it works for me, therefore it has to work for everyone else” attitude - which just isn’t how the world works.
Even though I’m a fan of XMPP myself, if you ever wonder why security-conscious people (for example here) recommend Signal instead of it - it’s precisely because they know that E2EE Just Works over there.
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You’re wrong on the Signal desktop point, it is a full fledged client on it’s own and can work without the mobile app.
No, it doesn’t. Dino just shows you a tiny padlock after the fact. There’s even a Github issue complaining that it’s not obvious: https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/971
Well, until these issues are fixed, noone, absolutely noone is going to recommend XMPP to anyone.
And we haven’t even started talking about all the other flaws: https://infosec-handbook.eu/blog/xmpp-aitm/
Yet again, wrong; iOS is both significantly more secure and more user friendly than any Android/Linux phone out there with maybe the exception of GrapheneOS.
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Yes, you link it once with your Android phone and then it’s a client on its own with its on messaging queue on the server. So no, you are wrong and don’t actually know what you are talking about.
Anyway, I’m not an iOS user in any shape or form, but I recognize that it’s a good platform, and far better suited for normal people than the fragmented mess that Android is.
Oh, and just to show you more ignorance on your part: gajim.org is another desktop XMPP client that has existed since… 2004, and also doesn’t do OMEMO by default and also doesn’t make it obvious that you’re not doing OMEMO. If a 17 year old app isn’t production ready, what is?
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