You’re splitting hairs as usual. Russians have literally been called orcs by the west. The prevailing narrative for why the war started is that Russians are blood thirsty orcs who attacked Ukraine completely unprovoked and can’t be reasoned with. Hence negotiations are not possible.
Negotiations will not happen because US and UK block them. Ukraine and Russia almost reached a settlement back in April and Bojo flew to Kiev to stop them. Ukraine would’ve been in a much better place back in April than they are now. Ukraine would’ve been in even better situation if it agreed to neutrality before the war started.
Ukraine ends up in a worse position every single day that goes by, and unless negotiations happen there won’t be an Ukraine left in the end. Western sponsors of Ukraine don’t care about Ukraine. Loyd Austin has openly admitted that the goal is to weaken Russia, and the west will force Ukraine to fight till the last Ukrainian to do that.
And as usual, you’re refusing to see a distinction when there is a significant one. It’s one thing if random people are using rhetoric like “orcs” or “Satanists”. It’s completely different when a leader or their government is using that rhetoric. Putin’s slander is setting the tone for the war. First it was Nazis, now it’s Satanists.
If you don’t see how the rhetoric from the white house is setting the tone for the war in the west, I really don’t know what to tell you. Again, the fact that you can easily see one type of propaganda but not the other is very telling.
I’m not saying I’m happy with the rhetoric out of the White House 100% of the time. I’m saying it’s a far sight better than the leaders of the Western nations calling Russians literal Satanists.
I don’t actually see how the packaging affects the message which is that Russia is not a rational actor, that the war was unprovoked, and that negotiations are not possible. The goal of the propaganda is to prolong this conflict. What specific terminology is used to achieve that is entirely irrelevant.
Those are all points that are arguably true to some extent, or are at least a matter of opinion. This bilge about Nazis and Satanists is shameful and does not befit a world leader. That it is coming out of the mouth of the head of a former superpower how far Russia truly has fallen.
First of all, it’s clearly true to a very great extent. A clear illustration of that was seen just recently when 30 progressive democrats merely suggested that perhaps negotiation should be attempted and were forced to retract that a day later. There is zero room for negotiation in the political discourse right now. Meanwhile, the fact that Ukraine has a problem with nazis is a well documented fact. The shameful part here is that people in the west continue trying to whitewash these nazis.
I didn’t say that Ukraine doesn’t have some problem with Nazis. That is definitely true. What isn’t true is that it is governed by Nazis, which has been stated repeatedly by Putin and used as a justification to invade.
You’re splitting hairs as usual. Russians have literally been called orcs by the west. The prevailing narrative for why the war started is that Russians are blood thirsty orcs who attacked Ukraine completely unprovoked and can’t be reasoned with. Hence negotiations are not possible.
The reason that negotiations will not happen is that Russia has insisted that Ukraine cede occupied territory.
Negotiations will not happen because US and UK block them. Ukraine and Russia almost reached a settlement back in April and Bojo flew to Kiev to stop them. Ukraine would’ve been in a much better place back in April than they are now. Ukraine would’ve been in even better situation if it agreed to neutrality before the war started.
Ukraine ends up in a worse position every single day that goes by, and unless negotiations happen there won’t be an Ukraine left in the end. Western sponsors of Ukraine don’t care about Ukraine. Loyd Austin has openly admitted that the goal is to weaken Russia, and the west will force Ukraine to fight till the last Ukrainian to do that.
And as usual, you’re refusing to see a distinction when there is a significant one. It’s one thing if random people are using rhetoric like “orcs” or “Satanists”. It’s completely different when a leader or their government is using that rhetoric. Putin’s slander is setting the tone for the war. First it was Nazis, now it’s Satanists.
But you know what Western politicians have called
Putinthe entire Russian ethnicity? “Uncivilized.”That’s worse than calling them satanists. Satanists is clearly not meant to be literal. Uncivilized is.
If you don’t see how the rhetoric from the white house is setting the tone for the war in the west, I really don’t know what to tell you. Again, the fact that you can easily see one type of propaganda but not the other is very telling.
I’m not saying I’m happy with the rhetoric out of the White House 100% of the time. I’m saying it’s a far sight better than the leaders of the Western nations calling Russians literal Satanists.
I don’t actually see how the packaging affects the message which is that Russia is not a rational actor, that the war was unprovoked, and that negotiations are not possible. The goal of the propaganda is to prolong this conflict. What specific terminology is used to achieve that is entirely irrelevant.
Those are all points that are arguably true to some extent, or are at least a matter of opinion. This bilge about Nazis and Satanists is shameful and does not befit a world leader. That it is coming out of the mouth of the head of a former superpower how far Russia truly has fallen.
First of all, it’s clearly true to a very great extent. A clear illustration of that was seen just recently when 30 progressive democrats merely suggested that perhaps negotiation should be attempted and were forced to retract that a day later. There is zero room for negotiation in the political discourse right now. Meanwhile, the fact that Ukraine has a problem with nazis is a well documented fact. The shameful part here is that people in the west continue trying to whitewash these nazis.
I didn’t say that Ukraine doesn’t have some problem with Nazis. That is definitely true. What isn’t true is that it is governed by Nazis, which has been stated repeatedly by Putin and used as a justification to invade.
Both Zelensky and Azov are funded by Ukrainian billionaire Ihor Kolomoisky. Interestingly, US State Department took down the page that the article cites, but it’s still available via the archive. I wonder why they would do that. 🤔