• @ZerushOP
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    12 years ago

    Yes, fingerprinting, the only extension I use is Trace, which cover this (not only fingerprintings), uBlock is fine, but I don’t need, because Vivaldi has a own ad and tracker blocker with the same filters and where you can add also more, if you want. I can save webpages, services and search engines as PWA with the context menu (customizable) Dark Reader is fine, but also not really needed in Vivaldi, it has Dark mode in flags and apart a menu with page actions, among these also an invert filter, also with the context menu over the search field I can add easy an search engine without the need to go to the setting page. You can consult your history, not only in a list, but in calendar view and statistics with graphics, EXIF and color data from images…

    Well, it has a screenshot tool, part or the whole page which works fine and which I can safe in the note function, but for this I prefer to use a desktop app (Flameshot), with this I don’t need the browser when I need the tool for desktop screenshots. Yes, a note tool as desktop app is fine (I use Cherry Tree), but in the Browser I can select the text or content and save it as a note in the context menu in which also apears the url of the page and a screenshot, if I made one. No need to open something outsiide the browser.

    But these things depends only for what and how you use the browser, if you only use it to browse in social net and for read the mails, every browser is valid. But when you use it for work, research or study, than it¡s easier to have split screen, web panel, two level tab stacking and other functions, where you don’t need third party soft or several windows, or changing from one tab to other, you have all in your screen at the same time, while you can chat in the web panel with others. That is the difference. Vivaldi is more an online OS than only a browser with the most inbuild tool which you may need, apart of the possibility to customize and tweak it to your like, even degoogle it in the settings, much more as in any other browser.

    • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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      -22 years ago

      Trace is incapable of achieving what Tor Browser’s upstreamed functionality does, and Vivaldi’s builtin adblocker is not the same as uBlock Origin, that does a lot more things.

      Vivaldi is trying to do the things that Opera used to do in its Presto days, more than a decade ago. Literally 2008 times. I was a more ardent user of Opera than you probably were, so I know what this is. It is like becoming excited at the browser being your little OS. But browsers at that time used to do these things because their main job (web browsing) did not need effort, and it was a time to do playful experiments.

      Today, people want a web browser to be a lean, solid web browser with minimal extras, not a literal Emacs tier web browser. Maybe you are stuck in Emacs or Presto era Opera nostalgia days.

      • @ZerushOP
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        12 years ago

        I’m quite old already, from times when the first computers still worked with punch cards that I saw the first time when he did military service. Naturally I know the old Opera, it was the first useful browser, until in the end it was sold and distorted by the Chinese. Vivaldi is a successor, pursuing the same original philosophy and I agree that it is not a browser for everyone, there will always be a browser for a certain advanced audience, professionals, students, researchers, etc., to which it really comes from pearls with its functionalities, but to use it only to read the mail, post on some social network, well it is something oversized, for this certainly serves any other browser, even the simplest, such as Min or Fifo, with search bar and little else. As I said, it depends on the needs of each one.

        Regarding uBO, if it has some advanced functions, apart from an integration in the contextual menu, which the Vivaldi blocker (yet) does not have, although it also does its job well, since it also allows you to add the filters you want. No browser with and without an app can do what TOR does, but this is because it does not work like a normal browser, naturally protects against fingerprinting, but on the other hand lacks other protections and functions, it is good for browsing on the onion, but many got an unpleasant surprise to do it without before using a VPN and being completely exposed. Surfing the open web with TOR seems to me to be a bit desperate.

        Trace does its job well by randomizing fingerprints and blocking other identification and tracking methods, cryptominers, header, CSS, pixel, fonts, etc. Although you have to look for a balanced configuration, since activating all the protections, prevents the operation of some pages, even when you add too many filters to the uBO or the Vivaldi blocker, which can also break some pages.

        • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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          -22 years ago

          Naturally I know the old Opera, it was the first useful browser, until in the end it was sold and distorted by the Chinese

          Incorrect. Opera’s free proxy VPN is the only “Chinese” thing about it, which you can opt to not use. And if you are already comfortable with any USA services and server connections, I do not see a problem with that free Chinese proxy either. I doubt Opera using Chromium as base, like Vivaldi, is Chinese. And I prefer no country, but I would hypothetically prefer China over USA for services, since one of them actively uses collected data in their military drones to kill civilians, according to former CIA director Michael Hayden.

          How to geek article from 2017

          It sounds like a lot of people got caught either practicing opsec badly, or having bad opsec in the first place. None of this has to do with Tor being a bad tool. It does not lack protections, if it is the user making mistakes.

          it is good for browsing on the onion, but many got an unpleasant surprise to do it without before using a VPN and being completely exposed. Surfing the open web with TOR seems to me to be a bit desperate.

          Using Tor with VPN is a common misinformation lore debunked enough times. If you mean people using Tor do not understand what or how to use Tor, then it is not the fault of Tor, once again. It is the fault of user not understanding the seriousness needed to use Tor, because it is not Snapchat.

          • @ZerushOP
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            12 years ago

            Wikipedia

            In 2016, the company changed ownership when a group of Chinese investors purchased the web browser, the consumer business, and the Opera Software ASA brand. On 18 July 2016, Opera Software ASA announced it had sold its browser, privacy and performance apps, and the Opera brand to Golden Brick Capital Private Equity Fund I Limited Partnership, a consortium of Chinese investors.

            The VPN isn’t such, it’s a proxie over the own Opera servers, currently Opera is the less private respecting browser, in Android the browser with the most trackers, even more as Chrome itself https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.opera.browser/latest/

            • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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              2 years ago

              Almost nobody I know uses Opera. For everyone, Firefox, Chrome, Edge and Brave (for Apple users Safari) are the more familiar browsers. It does not matter much. Opera uses Chromium as base anyway, so it does not matter. The only acceptable Chromium browsers are Ungoogled Chromium and Kiwi.

              • @ZerushOP
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                12 years ago

                I know some who alternatively use the old Opera 12, but certainly no one who uses the current Opera, which only has the name in common with the old one. Technically it is a good browser, but in China privacy is not in the vocabulary and the VPN is directly a fake.

                • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                  -22 years ago

                  but in China privacy is not in the vocabulary

                  Seems like you let your cat out of the bag. For China, privacy is secondary to prosperity, but they do have a GDPR style data protection law that is better than anything USA has, and actually does not commit the global spying or metadata based murders and overseas genocides that USA does. So that puts China above USA. FOSS community work is global, unless you want to brand it as Western work.

                  Privacy is kind of there, just not in the way it is in Anglosphere. Denying comprehending different forms of existence never works, like the pigeon cat story.