• @ZerushOP
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    12 years ago

    I know some who alternatively use the old Opera 12, but certainly no one who uses the current Opera, which only has the name in common with the old one. Technically it is a good browser, but in China privacy is not in the vocabulary and the VPN is directly a fake.

    • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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      -22 years ago

      but in China privacy is not in the vocabulary

      Seems like you let your cat out of the bag. For China, privacy is secondary to prosperity, but they do have a GDPR style data protection law that is better than anything USA has, and actually does not commit the global spying or metadata based murders and overseas genocides that USA does. So that puts China above USA. FOSS community work is global, unless you want to brand it as Western work.

      Privacy is kind of there, just not in the way it is in Anglosphere. Denying comprehending different forms of existence never works, like the pigeon cat story.

          • @ZerushOP
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            2 years ago

            Because Opera sells data to different conglomerates of companies, like Verizon, which includes Yahoo and Yimg.com (can’t access because Yimg.com is flagged as malicious, by the way), also Hotjar (Website Heatmaps & Behavior Analytics). It also sends information to Microsoft, Alphabet.Inc and Nest (Google advertising companies) as well as doubleclick.net, google-analytics.com, google.com, googletagmanager.com. In other words, half the Internet companies know what you do with Opera, looking over your shoulder, adding that the free “VPN” logs all your browser history. Thanks, no need for this.

            • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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              -22 years ago

              And… not many people use Opera. And, why should I trust a closed source browser over something that is fully open source? Your arguments still make no sense, because features are replaceable in better ways, and features are not aiding privacy or security or (partial) anonymity of people.

              • @ZerushOP
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                12 years ago

                You do not have to trust anything, it is simply absurd that at this point you trust a product when it says FOSS, resulting in the concept of FOSS having nothing to do with this concept, to remember that to trust a product other factors are necessary. As I said before, also the APIs and other apps to track the user of big companies are FOSS and included in many other FOSS to earn money.

                Vivaldi is freeware proprietary, but only because the UI scripts are, which are 100% auditable and modifiable by the user, which is not possible in Chrome, EDGE and Opera, there the Chromium layer is not auditable at all and completely closed source, this is the difference. Firefox is a good browser and FOSS, but it passes user data to Alphabet and NEST, i.e. Google, for funding. In its development the company is oriented more to its own interests than to those of the users, which is why many abandon Firefox, even 2 distros have done so, now using Vivaldi as the default browser (Manjaro and FerenOS) other distros also play with this possibility and most already have Vivaldi in their repositories and many users have already done so, in the Vivaldi community more than half of users use Linux, because they know that Vivaldi does not traffic with their data, it is even active in campaigns against these practices .

                They appreciate that when a bug appears, that the devs even work on Sundays to offer an update that fixes it. This is what deserves trust, that some companies like Renault and PoleStar even have, to use it as the preferred browser for their products.

                • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                  -12 years ago

                  It is more absurd that you have to trust closed source over FOSS, when said FOSS product has just about similarly as many eyes on it as Linux kernel. And then you keep justifying Vivaldi due to replaceable bloat features and then claim it is as good for privacy, when it clearly is not.

                  You used those random copypasta tech blogs as example, now you use this. Renault and PoleStar are not bastions of privacy, or do privacy advocacy. They are car making corporations for users that use iPhones with Snapchat and Instagram, not people who want privacy on the levels of Firefox on a debloated Android. They use things like Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, and have builtin GPS into cars and have nothing to do with privacy.

                  Before:

                  Above all, not to sell your data to third parties to earn money. as Firefox/Mozilla (FOSS) does (Alphabet.Inc and NEST, advertising companies of Google)

                  Now:

                  Firefox is a good browser and FOSS, but it passes user data to Alphabet and NEST, i.e. Google, for funding.

                  I notice you lied about this before, and are doing it again now. What is your source for this claim, which is openly known to be false?