Honest question but do you have any theory on Anarchist views on wage labor? I tried to Google it when I saw your comment but I’m having a hard time finding anything.
So I’ve been going for around 15 minutes now, skimming through articles and message boards and I’ve yet to find a concrete Anarchist views on labor, apart from ‘voluntary communal principles’. There’s even Anarchists claiming that it’s not about the economy and that any economic model can be adopted into Anarchism (???) or people that just suggest having robots do all the work.
If any Anarchist can provide me actual theory, go ahead. I’d love to learn. But everytime I read something on anarchists I can’t do anything other than disagree on most things.
If you want to lose all faith in humanity, read “The Abolition of Work,” by Bob Black. One of the “classics” of anarchist theory, along with “Eleven Ways to Kill a Child.”
(Black’s thesis, as far as I can tell, is that work in an anarchist society will be kind of like sex, and everybody will be horny, so nobody will have any problem working.)
But… That’s almost exactly what happened in anarchist Spain. And if you have read Marx, you’ll know he makes a similar argument. Touch grass once in a while maybe.
Yes, but for Marx, the state of society where “labor becomes life’s prime want” comes far in the future, and is brought about by a level of technical development we can’t yet even imagine. Essentially, there has to be a such an abundance of material goods that the need for coercion fades away. In the meantime – probably for centuries or millennia – there will be scarcity, and work will have to be coerced.
Funny, I thought that what happened in anarchist Spain was that the anarchists went around raping nuns and burning churches, and in general alienating the deeply religious Spanish peasantry, so that even today, it’s hard to make much headway with certain more traditional sectors of the population.
Internet forums are a bunch of people who don’t go outside telling other people who don’t go outside to go outside.
Also quit acting like a child. “Touching grass”, i.e. going outside will teach you nothing about anarchist theory. Sitting on your phone or computer or buying a book will, sorta the opposite of touching grass.
Oh yeah, the anarchist spain the failed almost immeadiatly and caused the collapse of the republican side and got easily capitulated by the fascists, yes we all remember that sorry bad joke that comndemned an country to decades of an fascist dictatorship.
And marx never said even joking that “work will be like sex, so everyone will be happy” thats an lie. And the only argument you ever said on this tread was saying to people calling out anarchist bullshit to “go touch grass”, what about you go touch some theory them?
Honest question but do you have any theory on Anarchist views on wage labor? I tried to Google it when I saw your comment but I’m having a hard time finding anything.
So I’ve been going for around 15 minutes now, skimming through articles and message boards and I’ve yet to find a concrete Anarchist views on labor, apart from ‘voluntary communal principles’. There’s even Anarchists claiming that it’s not about the economy and that any economic model can be adopted into Anarchism (???) or people that just suggest having robots do all the work.
If any Anarchist can provide me actual theory, go ahead. I’d love to learn. But everytime I read something on anarchists I can’t do anything other than disagree on most things.
If you want to lose all faith in humanity, read “The Abolition of Work,” by Bob Black. One of the “classics” of anarchist theory, along with “Eleven Ways to Kill a Child.”
(Black’s thesis, as far as I can tell, is that work in an anarchist society will be kind of like sex, and everybody will be horny, so nobody will have any problem working.)
That essay is one wild ride. Its kind of impressive that this antiwork phenomenon has such a dogshit basis, and is still so popular.
But… That’s almost exactly what happened in anarchist Spain. And if you have read Marx, you’ll know he makes a similar argument. Touch grass once in a while maybe.
Yes, but for Marx, the state of society where “labor becomes life’s prime want” comes far in the future, and is brought about by a level of technical development we can’t yet even imagine. Essentially, there has to be a such an abundance of material goods that the need for coercion fades away. In the meantime – probably for centuries or millennia – there will be scarcity, and work will have to be coerced.
Funny, I thought that what happened in anarchist Spain was that the anarchists went around raping nuns and burning churches, and in general alienating the deeply religious Spanish peasantry, so that even today, it’s hard to make much headway with certain more traditional sectors of the population.
ah, anarchist praxis.
Internet forums are a bunch of people who don’t go outside telling other people who don’t go outside to go outside.
Also quit acting like a child. “Touching grass”, i.e. going outside will teach you nothing about anarchist theory. Sitting on your phone or computer or buying a book will, sorta the opposite of touching grass.
Oh yeah, the anarchist spain the failed almost immeadiatly and caused the collapse of the republican side and got easily capitulated by the fascists, yes we all remember that sorry bad joke that comndemned an country to decades of an fascist dictatorship.
And marx never said even joking that “work will be like sex, so everyone will be happy” thats an lie. And the only argument you ever said on this tread was saying to people calling out anarchist bullshit to “go touch grass”, what about you go touch some theory them?
ABC of Anarchism includes a lot of stuff like this: