One side… that has 0% representation in current media for SOME reason.
That’s definitely not true. You are the proof of this.
LOL. This is intentional grift. I do not even have a soapbox unlike NATO media which has hundreds of orchestras disseminating lies around the world at this very moment.
You are definitely dishonest, intentional or not. Your whole trope has been denialism of NATO’s involvement and threat against Russia since yesterday, and it is clear what arguments you are using. Everytime it is denialism to cancel out any of Russia’s concerns, while balloon up Ukraine as “the people” who you “stand” for.
Ukraine is not “the people”, their military has Nazis and they have oppressed “the people” of Donbas for 8 years. NATO has gaslighted Ukraine into its own destruction, and Russia has to protect itself from Aegis missile system. You are lying through teeth about “the people” here. Also thanks for calling me a “puppet of the Russian Empire” while being a tool of the NATO empire yourself.
There is nothing reasonable about putting NATO and Putin together, since NATO is a Nazism proponent, while Russia wants to do “denazification” of Ukraine. You are literally playing the Hitler card of calling Nationalist Fascism as National Socialism (Nat-Soc or Nazism). There is no “both sides” in being against Nazism for me, I am not an idiot who does not know what NatFashism did to the world during WW2. You may be an idiot like millions of others supporting Nazism unintentionally, but I will not do it.
Looks like you didn’t even read my post. Or if you did, you have some serious self-criticism to do.
You claim to be antifascist (or rather antinazi but maybe you make a difference here?!) yet you support russian fascism. You claim the ukrainian army is full of nazis (this is true) but carefully ignore that the russian army is also full of nazis. I don’t support (and on the contrary condone) NATO imperialism but you obviously can’t read that since in your narrow worldview someone who criticizes the russian empire necessarily has to vow allegiance to their sworn NATO enemies.
Contrary to you, i do not imply that opposing NATO means supporting Putin. On the contrary, i outlined on many occasions that anti-imperialist thinkers/fighters who oppose NATO are also opposing Putin’s imperialism on Ukraine.
Yes “the people” is one side you can choose. And by “the people” i certainly don’t mean Ukraine as a Nation-State or only the ukrainian people (which are not even a coherent ideological block as we pointed out in regards to separatism). I do mean the common people across all borders, who will be (and are already) the ones suffering every time there is war. War only profits the war industry and the fascist State apparatus, whether the invasion is conducted by NATO or by Russia.
Whoever starts the war/invasion, the peoples of both Ukraine and Russia will suffer heavy losses. You would know that if you were involved in actual anti-imperialist struggles and support to political refugees. The only war that’s ever justifiable is war against “your” nation state, for freedom and equality. Any war in the name of a State against another always plays against the interests of the people, or as the song goes (in french): “Because was is a massacre of people who don’t know one another, for the profit of people who always know each other yet do not massacre each other”.
J’aimerais bien l’original en français de la chanson. Depuis quelques jours je repense à “Adieu Angélina” de Nana Mouskouri ( traduit d’un texte de Bob Dylan ) & “Quand les hommes vivront d’amour”
Car la guerre c’est un massacre de gens qui ne se connaissent pas, au profit de gens qui se connaissent mais qui ne se massacrent pas.
C’est la “conclusion” de ce chant anti-militariste. Si tu la connais pas et que t’as la chance d’avoir une chorale anarchiste pas loin de chez toi, y’a des chances que des personnes là-bas la connaissent et puissent te l’apprendre. Sinon y’a des enregistrements qui trainent sur les youtube et compagnie :)
merci, j’en ai lu le texte complet
des paroles lourdes de sens. Ça me rappelle aussi :
Boris Vian - Le deserteur.
j’apprécie, ainsi que tes contributions sur lemmy.ml
Meilleurs souhaits.
LOL. This is intentional grift. I do not even have a soapbox unlike NATO media which has hundreds of orchestras disseminating lies around the world at this very moment.
You are definitely dishonest, intentional or not. Your whole trope has been denialism of NATO’s involvement and threat against Russia since yesterday, and it is clear what arguments you are using. Everytime it is denialism to cancel out any of Russia’s concerns, while balloon up Ukraine as “the people” who you “stand” for.
Ukraine is not “the people”, their military has Nazis and they have oppressed “the people” of Donbas for 8 years. NATO has gaslighted Ukraine into its own destruction, and Russia has to protect itself from Aegis missile system. You are lying through teeth about “the people” here. Also thanks for calling me a “puppet of the Russian Empire” while being a tool of the NATO empire yourself.
There is nothing reasonable about putting NATO and Putin together, since NATO is a Nazism proponent, while Russia wants to do “denazification” of Ukraine. You are literally playing the Hitler card of calling Nationalist Fascism as National Socialism (Nat-Soc or Nazism). There is no “both sides” in being against Nazism for me, I am not an idiot who does not know what NatFashism did to the world during WW2. You may be an idiot like millions of others supporting Nazism unintentionally, but I will not do it.
Looks like you didn’t even read my post. Or if you did, you have some serious self-criticism to do.
You claim to be antifascist (or rather antinazi but maybe you make a difference here?!) yet you support russian fascism. You claim the ukrainian army is full of nazis (this is true) but carefully ignore that the russian army is also full of nazis. I don’t support (and on the contrary condone) NATO imperialism but you obviously can’t read that since in your narrow worldview someone who criticizes the russian empire necessarily has to vow allegiance to their sworn NATO enemies.
Contrary to you, i do not imply that opposing NATO means supporting Putin. On the contrary, i outlined on many occasions that anti-imperialist thinkers/fighters who oppose NATO are also opposing Putin’s imperialism on Ukraine.
Yes “the people” is one side you can choose. And by “the people” i certainly don’t mean Ukraine as a Nation-State or only the ukrainian people (which are not even a coherent ideological block as we pointed out in regards to separatism). I do mean the common people across all borders, who will be (and are already) the ones suffering every time there is war. War only profits the war industry and the fascist State apparatus, whether the invasion is conducted by NATO or by Russia.
Whoever starts the war/invasion, the peoples of both Ukraine and Russia will suffer heavy losses. You would know that if you were involved in actual anti-imperialist struggles and support to political refugees. The only war that’s ever justifiable is war against “your” nation state, for freedom and equality. Any war in the name of a State against another always plays against the interests of the people, or as the song goes (in french): “Because was is a massacre of people who don’t know one another, for the profit of people who always know each other yet do not massacre each other”.
J’aimerais bien l’original en français de la chanson. Depuis quelques jours je repense à “Adieu Angélina” de Nana Mouskouri ( traduit d’un texte de Bob Dylan ) & “Quand les hommes vivront d’amour”
“La rue des Lilas” :
C’est la “conclusion” de ce chant anti-militariste. Si tu la connais pas et que t’as la chance d’avoir une chorale anarchiste pas loin de chez toi, y’a des chances que des personnes là-bas la connaissent et puissent te l’apprendre. Sinon y’a des enregistrements qui trainent sur les youtube et compagnie :)
merci, j’en ai lu le texte complet
des paroles lourdes de sens. Ça me rappelle aussi :
Boris Vian - Le deserteur.
j’apprécie, ainsi que tes contributions sur lemmy.ml
Meilleurs souhaits.