That would be for “yes” I suppose? Okay, okay - sorry, I don’t actually want to attack you anyhow or LMAO around - I just want to point out that it’s nice to imagine that “to be secure/to feel secure” is really not under control of someone’s privileged point of view. All what we’re talking about - just a reminder - that the question was about the MOST secure app. You’re accusing me of “trying to get people to use less secure systems” or “dissuading people away from Signal”. What can I say about it? I feel so deconspired that getting out is really the only option for me!
But maybe you could consider to really get in, huh?
Okay, I see that you’re very unhappy because of my thoughts and you’re showing it in every response. I’m totally ok with that, but if you could tell me one thing: are you white cis hetero male from usa/europe/australia? Just need to know if it’s worth to engage.
Does someone can say something about Status App?
And here you have some words from one of Berlin’s collective on why they stopped using Signal. Take a note that it’s from 2017.
To fill the list it’s good to notice the Berty project, but it’s still in development though:
Okay, so I here’s what I think for the main question.
(Sorry for my English, I’m not the native speaker - if something is hard to understand let me know, please)
On the internet we have a lot of discussion about this topic. And we have a lot of different views on it. And a lot of apps. We need to be sure what we’re talking about and how precise we are. These are my main thoughts, listed. There is no such thing as “most secure chat app”, especially if we’re not asking precisely what we mean by that term.
I think of three main factors of the case. And I want to put it clear: I don’t want to go on full-geeky or start a discussion about “normal user will not understand”. Every user is different. The “most secure app” should be “most secure” both for an undercover agents and our grandmothers.
So, when it comes to this I need to say that I cannot tell which app is really “most secure”. I’m not an tech expert, so I cannot pentest the app by myself. But I can tell you which app looks the most reliable to me.
For me it’s Session app. It has some cons, like everything. But I will tell you why I believe in it. Yeah, “believe” it’s a good word for it. Because it’s always about trust. If the devs are sincere with us and everything is working as they say - that’s the way it should work for every secure app. First - let’s look at the main concerns. First one is Australia, which the app is from. It has very fucked up law - court can easily access the data of users (please correct me if I’m wrong). But the app is designed in a way that even if the government would get this access - they will find nothing or almost nothing, just scraps of metadata which would be hard to use against you.
Next thing is reliability. There should be more third-audits done for the app, that’s true. But the foundation behind the app is showing very good attitude for it. They are communicating, they are active and I think it’s just a matter of time that it will be full-acceptable on the paper.
Design - it’s up to date. It has something that Signal doesn’t have if we’re talking about that E2EE problem - the capability of your chat inbox. You can make your inbox delete the messages after specific number (not only after specific time - but that is possible too). You cannot force the person which you are talking to do the same, but app is anonymous so It would be really hard to connect these messages to you. On Signal in other hand - all messages are linked to you because of phone number and you need to depend on security of other people - not cool.
The next good thing - it’s using a decentralised network based on nodes (onion routing). That should be a standard, I will not comment on that.
But the biggest thing is that I can see on my own eyes that the developers running this project has really A LOT TO LOSE. Yeah, that’s a thing for me. I can see how they’re communicating, how they’re developing as a foundation/company. They are really into the privacy stuff. If they would make a mistake… oh, shit, that would be a total disaster for them. They just cannot screw it up - they have own coin, they have own node-network, they have the bright future in front of them. When you have a lot to lose - you are more reliable. But that’s my private opinion which cannot be measured scientificaly. I’m just watching closely and I can see that they are growing. If they are capable of doing what they annouced this year - encrypted voip call by the onion network - it would be a really huge step forward. Crossing fingers.
Wickr has that great system for ephemeral messages - ‘burn after read’ option. I really liked it. But Wickr is now part of Amazon. So using it is like you would give your money to ISIS - you’re just funding terrorism. Briar is great, of course. It’s the top for sure. But there is a problem with Briar. It will never be a standard - because is not “cool”. Why that matters? If the app is not used by a lot of people and is not popular - there is a possibility that it will die soon. That’s how it works for now, too bad - but true.
I would say that XMPP is also a good direction to look, I’m not sure about Matrix on not-self-hosted servers. Yup, that’s all I think. If someone will disagree - I’m cool with that and please don’t take my words as something what I will fight for. I’m not here for force-changing someones point of view. Thanks.
There are parts of the world, like 80% of it I guess, where secure=anonymous.
I’m sorry if I sound rude. I just experienced an issue with what I’m talking about, and big part of it was believing that Signal is the most secure messenger, “because this is what internet says”. Just let us all be cautious about that what we believe is not exactly true for everyone.
No, no, no. Signal cannot be placed in the beginning of the MOST secure chat apps. I cannot accept it, this opinion is very dangerous - because people take it for granted. No.
In many countries you cannot buy a burner SIM and make anonymous account. Also - you can be added to a group without permission and someone you don’t know can gain the possibility to dox you, stalk you or phish you. I saw it, I’ve been there. Security is not about encryption only. Visible phone number is TOO MUCH INFORMATION - and I’m really pissed off when I see that people are not taking it seriously.
Maybe for you, when using disposable number and talking to few people - OK. But please, imagine that there’s a lot of people with a lot of security models and it’s not reasonable to always put Signal on the top of these MOST SECURE chat app lists. No, not for everyone.
If not for everyone - then it’s not MOST secure.
Recently I started to use Erine Email - and it has just everything I need.
It’s FOSS and I’m quite surprised that no one listed it here… Maybe you have thoughts about it?
Don’t you think they have too much to loose here? If it would be true - whole Oxen with their coin & lokinet would be down.
Lot of people were waiting for this to be done. What do you think?..
It’s cool when we’re talking about sharing music, but tell me please - it’s also your tactic in sexual relations?
Yeah, it’s W10, don’t blame me.
I’m not a specialist on that topic (as I said) but just few things:
“One of the Biggest Dangers of Microdosing is Accidentally Macrodosing”
Check out this article from The Cut
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