Unfortunate that does include dev of lemmy too.
edit: The opinions if that support actually takes place or not differs between people as you will find out in the discussions below.
Show me one single comment or post that implies so. No one is supporting the Taliban, which is an ultra-right theocracy, the only thing that is being said is that at least it is no longer a US colony.
Saying that you’d prefer the worst imperialist nations of all to invade a land in name of greater freedom for a minority is complete bullshit, are you that naïve to think that women in rural areas had true freedom while Afghanistan was at war? Do you think multiple children and men weren’t killed as entertainment by US troops? Do you think women weren’t raped and tortured by westerners there as they have done innumerable times while invading other lands?
Saying that you’d prefer the worst imperialist
I don’t, and I have no idea why being against Taliban, should mean being supportive to the US. Shut down US empire, that’s my position on the US. I can be against one authoritarian organization, and I can be against another authoritarian organization too.
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being against the US doesn’t mean being supportive of the Taliban
I’m not sure why you wrote this reply, stating the obvious but also something that’s not really the topic.
I’m asking about opinion about those who do support the Taliban.
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Show me one single comment or post
“The more I read of the Taliban’s plans domestically…, the more I critically support them.” https://lemmy.ml/post/77978/comment/73332
ok. done. and now?
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Most lemmy users aren’t supportive to Taliban I believe, but some are. Question was about your opinion of those who support the Taliban.
Can you also back that up for a lemmy dev as you claim in the OP?
Yes, but you will anyway jump to their defense. https://lemmy.ml/post/77978/comment/73363
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You must take a look at the context this reply was made. It is a reply to “taliban is still no emancipatory movement”
lemmy devs argues that stating that Taliban is not an emacipatory movement is “setting a pretty high bar”.
Taliban is still no emancipatory movement! and that’s not setting any bar to high or something. Taliban is ultra-right theocracy. He is downplaying the horrors Talibans are doing.
He also argues that, “Before there can be emancipation, they need peace”, and in the current situation, that means that in order to reach emancipation, women must obey to Taliban rules.
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You’re setting a pretty high bar for a country that has been occupied for 20 years. Before there can be emancipation, they need peace.
Totally supporting the Taliban, it’s not like they are just showing a little bit of empathy towards a third world country that’s been massacred for the last 30 years in the name of democracy.
You must take a look at the context this reply was made. It is a reply to “taliban is still no emancipatory movement”
lemmy devs argues that stating that Taliban is not an emacipatory movement is “setting a pretty high bar”.
Taliban is still no emancipatory movement! and that’s not setting any bar to high or something. Taliban is ultra-right theocracy. He is downplaying the horrors Talibans are doing.
He also argues that, “Before there can be emancipation, they need peace”, and in the current situation, that means that in order to reach emancipation, women must obey to Taliban rules.
No, what he is saying is that the Afghan people have been murdered for three decades, forcing almost everyone to live in a rural society after the US funded terrorist militias to destroy any semblance of a left leaning party. What do you expect of a country like that? The chance of any other option than US colony or Afghanistan under Taliban rule is pretty niche, and even then chances are that it will be far easier for Afghan people to overthrow or change the Taliban for some other party, rather than the fucking biggest military contractor firm that is the US.
Do you know what “critically support” means? because this leads me to believe you don’t.
My statement on the situation in Afghanistan is, to put it directly, if we’re forced to choose between two evils (this being the US and the Taliban), I’d at least want the local one that’s making promises (that they may or may not keep, we’ll just have to see) that would bring peace to their country. I’m not saying I support the Taliban blindly, I’m saying I’d rather have them than the US or the US-installed government. There are factions within Afghanistan I support more than the Taliban, such as the Maoists, or the Feminists. If Afghanistan erupted into a civil war, I’d support the factions that stand against the Taliban (as long as they’re not funded by NATO), but as far as the current domestic situation goes, you’d lack all nuance to fully dismiss the Taliban in these early stages of their new government.
But sure, take my words without the nuance I was trying to convey.
Do you know what “critically support” means?
yes. Here is means something like this: Being critical of some aspects, but overall bringing legitimacy to the one the criticism is directed to and usually being supportive to them while setting it in contrast to some others who are said to be worse, as if dichotomy thinking be an requirement for emancipation, and when claimed that behavior is supportive, to dismiss it by shifting the focus on “critical”, while not at all leaving the dichotomy bias.
I went ahead and looked at your history, and it looks like all you do on lemmy is be combative and argue with people, often taking what people said entirely out of context. I’m leaning towards believing you’re a troll. If you’re not a troll, I’d suggest working on how you interact with others. Because, honestly? You’re kinda toxic and I hope the lemmy mods do something about you.
but, in good faith. A big thing to keep in mind while talking about unfortunate situations happening in other countries, if you don’t live there, you don’t get a say - what so ever - about what should be happening. As observers, most of us from western nations, we can only talk about the facts of what’s happening, the policies of the organizations in question, and discuss the pros and cons of those things. My only basis for critical support for the Taliban (something I’ll freely divorce once more things develop) comes from their status as the legal government, the relative support they seem to have within Afghanistan, and the promises they’ve made to the international community. If they’re being honest about those promises (and mind you, as the replies say on my original comment, they’re in ‘PR mode’) then they’d already be leaps and bounds ahead of the previous government. They’re probably not going to uphold their promises, and I’ll be very critical of them when they eventually start to show their true colours. But, as of now, they’re the better of the readily available options for the country in my opinion, and I can only hope they do better for the country than 20 years of war has.
I know well the history of the Taliban, and I support none of that, nor do I support the Taliban as an organisation. But will I quietly watch from the sidelines hoping for the best? absolutely.
A big thing to keep in mind while talking about unfortunate situations happening in other countries, if you don’t live there, you don’t get a say - what so ever - about what should be happening
My opinion is shaped by people that actually live or lived there recently.
As observers, most of us from western nations, we can only talk about the facts of what’s happening, the policies of the organizations in question, and discuss the pros and cons of those things
Maybe that’s the difference between us. I don’t see myself in mere observer role, but as someone who takes part in shaping history. I listen to the people that are effected, and try to find out what my capabilities are to support them. Obviously my capabilities are limited and I will not name what they are, but I will name possibilities of how to support:
- help refugees with resources you have, or the one you can acquire
- help refugees to get legal resistance status by many means
- pressure your own government so that more safe passages can be organized
- organize passports
- organize money and hand it over to local groups
- amplify the voices of people in Afghanistan who struggle for emancipation and find out what material support they need and how you can help with organizing such
- attack by whatever means feasible the military industrial complex that is NATO, or that helps Taliban
- support structures that emerged from the Kurdish resistance movements, as their experience and their achievements can help all surrounding communities
- you can blend into the masses, speak local lang, you have useful skills that could benefit emancipation, you are physical and mental strong enough to deploy yourself into a potential war zone, then consider to go there and consider building international volunteer structure so that those that come after you, have it easier to join in
- …etc.
I’ll be very critical of them when they eventually start to show their true colours
they shut down women protests for example. They harass women. What more do you need to stop building legitimacy for the Taliban?
If they’re being honest
they say women have to obey sharia law as interpreted by the Taliban. That’s their promise.
