His assesment about Matrix’s centralisation isn’t quite right. I’ve been on Matrix via somethig else than matrix.org for months through a co-op service, and it works fine. Not sure how much work they have to do for it though.


Regardless of the criticism Matrix is probably one of the best bets right now of a federated, decentralized real-time communication platform. Yes it gets complicated at the spec/protocol level when one is made to support so many use cases like Twitter,VR,IM,collaborative editing,bridges,bots,integration,video,audio,encryption,multi-device etc. but that is necessary to have a rich,diverse and modern protocol. The criticism is mainly at the specific IRC bridge and the clients. Admittedly the IRC bridge isn’t perfect due to the feature disparity between Matrix and IRC at a protocol level but it has been getting better. And saying that bridge isn’t perfect would be similar to saying IRC or a particular IRC client isn’t perfect.




Not sure if Drew is being ironic, but what he describes sounds exactly like modern XMPP (and specifically not Matrix).

it should just be people using xmpp CMV


It does not protect metadata and from timing attacks. It requires users to trust the servers and volunteers to run such servers. Instead Briar solves these 4 problems.


Both have their uses, especially since Briar is not cross device and doesn’t support images/video (Edit: not yet, that release is expected soon).

If you’re looking to get into XMPP “seriously” you can host your own for around $2USD depending on your host choice - adding more users is easy, and lets you keep things under one roof.

I’ve been looking at Briar to try it out after the Signal changes, but don’t know if I can get friends over to it even if I like it. That’s not the end of the world, but could be a factor. I also have multiple devices, putting XMPP as a more likely canidate especially when it comes to messaging options.


Federation via servers is a trade-off for sure. But pure p2p really isn’t a very good user experience either.

A polished XMPP client for desktop and phone that supports darknet routing through multiple darknets and all the MAM protocols.

This is all we need. Currently we have Conversations (best), Psi (feature filled), Gajim and Dino (barebones), but they need to get better.

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