Wow, I’m sure glad I don’t live in China. I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
Wow, I’m sure glad I don’t live in China. I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
Another free thinker. Glad to have you on board with us other individuals. Do you like Marvel, Star Wars or Harry Potter per chance?
Its such a shame that they turned a strong anti-imperial message like Star Wars into another one of the run of the mill liberal propaganda cash cows.
(Unjerk) yeah dude it’s a fucking crime. Anyone with half a brain cell can tell what lucas intended with his portrayal of the empire and the Republic vs the CSS (literal breakaway states due to republic core world corruptuon and economic imperialism).
I’d argue that while Disney have gutted star wars, the biggest shift was in how Western society redefined imperialism so that the films still maintain their message but to the majority of consumers they’re too well trained like the dogs they are to recognise what imperialism looks like in 2022.
(Rejerk) excuse me friend this is a highbrow liberal discourse thread, please take your tankie red fash nonsense elsewhere 😤
Of course they do. Everyone in our civilized, free-thinking societies loves Marvel®, Star Wars® and Harry Potter®. Wouldn’t be very free-thinking if we didn’t, would we?
Glad to hear!! Have you checked out the mandelorian or squid game yet? They are both brilliant critiques of communist systems.
I’ve heard that Squid Game is literally what life is like in North Korea, so I don’t feel the need to watch it. I haven’t heard anything like that about the Mandalorian, but it does make sense; after all, George Lucas originally modeled the Empire after a brutally dictatorial communist regime.
Exactly, in fact if you look closely you can see how the rebel firebird symbol is reminiscent of the US flag while the empire is more akin to the hammer and sickle.
Oh, I thought I was the only one who noticed that! I should have expected as much from a great free-thinking individual such as yourself.
Well I have made anti-communism my entire personality in which to hide my paper thin understanding of geopolitics after all.
Im taking critical hits to my constitution reading this.
Targeting “Freedom” and “Democracy” in VATS.
We’re so lucky to live in a country where ppl are allowed to express unpopular opinions. Thank god we don’t live in china.
This is completely on point. I may not have any unpopular opinions to express, but I’d rather be homeless, disease-ridden, and constantly on the brink of starvation than unable to express those nonexistent opinions!
than unable to express those nonexistent opinions!
The best part is that you have you way to significantly express them since you don’t have billions to buy a media firm or a politician
Yeah, but I can still express my opinion as a YouTube comment! They definitely can’t post comments in China. A sexpat YouTuber told me that that’s illegal.
I agree, I’m sure glad I don’t live in China. I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
That’s a very good point.
Using my meme I posted a day ago, still freaking relevant to the topic:
fun fact: that post was what reminded me of this comic
These are the Same mfs who called all-chinese people are brainwashed
Wow, I’m sure glad I don’t live in China. I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
Couldn’t agree more. I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
Definitely, it’s like I could never live somewhere people aren’t allowed to think freely or live as individuals!!
Absolutely. The thing I value above all else, including having free housing, free healthcare, free education, free water, free heating, free electricity, free Internet access, and a guaranteed dignified job with a promise of gradually decreased working hours as automation becomes increasingly prevalent, is being able to think freely and live as an individual!!
Couldn’t agree more. I could never live in a place that restricts my freedom to die of covid. Eff u China!!!
Oh, absolutely. If I don’t have the freedom to spread a likely fatal disease to vulnerable portions of my country’s population, am I really free? No, I think not.
Imagine living in a country where you can’t think freely and live as an individual. Excuse me I’d like to report some authoritarianism plz.
Fully agree. I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would want to live in a country where everything you do is controlled by the state. In fact, I reported my neighbour to the police yesterday for spreading Russian propaganda and trying to destroy our vibrant democratic way of life.
It’s almost like they don’t get the concept of living your life as an individual who can freely think bound by the constraints of credit scores and a ruling class.
I agree one hundred percent. If a few dozen people aren’t free to do whatever they want at the expense of everyone else, do any of us really have freedom? The answer is “no”, of course.
lol the irony
Hey guys, America may be bad but china is also not a utopia. s/
Some people want China to be super communist and at the same time willingly open up to the media manipulation by the west in the name of free peach. China is a dictatorship of our kind, a state shall act as it deemed to protect itself, whether it is called socialist or the freeest country in the world. It is good to have ideals but don’t smoke too much idealism.Wow, 😳 I’m 😂 sure 😍 glad 👄 I 😁 don’t 🙅♂️ live 😜 in China. I could 🔒 never 🙅♂️ live 😜 somewhere 👉 people aren’t ❌ allowed 😖 to think 🤔 freely or live 🐙 as individuals!!
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(probably not a good idea to use some of these words, even in jest)
There is a difference between limiting one’s freedom out of ignorance, by falling into the trap of media manipulation, or having it limited or restricted by law with police control. In the first case it is enough to use the brain with its own reasoning and criteria, in the second only to look for another country.
What freedoms do you believe are missing in China that are present in any given country in the imperial core?
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/media-censorship-china
I can confirm this due to the consults of many chinese users related to the Great Firewall, in a international forum. Although there is also censorship in the Western media, with a strong component of journalistic manipulation, here a journalist is fired by far if he does not report what is indicated by the interests of political officials in the direction. In China they are directly imprisoned. It is exactly the difference that I was referring to in my post, the difference of maintaining ignorance through media manipulation to guide us to the interests of the elite, and another of directly imposing iron control over personal freedoms with serious consequences for noncompliance. Both things are reprehensible and must be fought against, but the second is worse, especially if a country wants to call itself communist, where, however, it is only an elite that rules and without real sovereignty of the people, only typical of savage capitalism, but not in communism. In our society democracy is just a pretty poor label, just as Chinese communism is a similar label for the public.
China certainly has plenty of Internet censorship, and it’s far more overt (although not necessarily more strict) than Amerika’s censorship. There are very good reasons for this.
The article doesn’t mention Amerika’s various illegal attempts to influence China’s domestic policies through Western social media. Maybe that has something to do with the Chinese government’s decisions to ban Facebook, Google, etc.
It also doesn’t mention how Amerika uses their “human rights organizations” (Amnesty International, HRW, etc.) for regime change. There’s no discussion of the primarily Amerikan-sponsored attempts at colour revolution (typically called something like “advocating democratic reforms” – i.e. a transition to some form of liberalism, which I’d consider equivalent to advocating for a return to feudalism or chattel slavery in a capitalist society) or the various acts of terrorism funded by Amerika (e.g. in Xinjiang). Maybe it’s not completely irrational to deeply distrust Amerika and its cohorts. Maybe they’ve seen what’s happened to Taiwan after being manipulated by decades of imperialist propaganda. Maybe China learned from prior socialist experiments that it’s best to be on the safe side while constantly under thread from imperialist nations.
I also find it odd that you would use the Council on Foreign Relations as a source, considering that it’s a pro-imperialist think tank directed by various massive capitalists and Amerikan war criminals. Theoretically, even the most vile organization can tell the truth, but considering how heavily biased the article is and how many of the references are to anectodal “evidence”, I’d say it’s fair to be somewhat skeptical.
Is it ideal for China’s government to censor and track Internet use? In my opinion, no. Is it justified based on historical analysis? Absolutely.
I think that on one point we agree that the US is the last that can criticize others for human rights violations and lack of democracy, being the worst in this regard, except for Arab countries. But neither can we say that China is the panacea at this point, regardless of the article and also others, as I said, I am also guided by the complaints of Chinese users, looking for programs and apps to protect their privacy, which are inaccessible in China and only they can get them P2P from other countries.
Sure, I would personally feel uncomfortable with browsing the Internet without some trusted proxy, just like I do right now because of Google, Facebook, Twitter, and the rest. I would certainly like to be able to legally use Tor, for example, even if people who use it through bridges in China aren’t routinely punished. However, I also understand why the government decided to block domestic civilian connections to Western social media and other sites, even if it could be considered overkill, because they are constantly under threat from highly effective imperialist propaganda, and I understand why they would prioritize shielding their citizens from this. Any domestic privacy concerns should be dealt with by Chinese citizens, not outsiders, and I certainly wouldn’t denounce the Chinese revolution over something like this.
This is the point, which is better? Leave the Internet open, despite the fact that there may be imperialist propaganda? Or block it, but put up its own propaganda without the possibility of blocking it by the user? I think the first is better, leaving it up to the user to take the necessary measures to block propaganda in general, leaving free access to the necessary tools to do so.
That’s an individualist solution to a systemic problem, though. It’s not close to enough.
I disagree. I would much rather have pro-communist propaganda from China than pro-imperialist propaganda from Amerika, especially considering how effective the latter clearly is. Letting companies like Facebook interfere in your country’s internal politics has been shown to be a terrible idea. In the future, when all children in China have grown up being taught to critically analyze everything they read, an open Internet would pose less of a threat, but until that has happened, I consider it completely reasonable for China to protect their information space, just like they protect their physical borders.
Here in the US, journalists die if they stray too far from the narrative the government wants.
Are you quoting Council of Foreign Relations? ONONONONO AHAHAHAHAHA
Might as well quote your favourite news outlet, or some Fox News or CNN or Falun Gong outlet.
