• @silvercove@lemdro.id
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    I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.

    • @Disgusted_Tadpole
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      I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.

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        For the majority of Americans, as long as you are a pleasant person, you will have pleasant conversations, even if it’s about a disagreement.

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          A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.

          B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.

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              Your instance is literally swarming with liberal transplants from reddit, so now you’re just being disingenuous.

              I live in the midwest, and I’m surrounded by polite fascists. Fuck politeness, and fuck this racist nation.

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                  If they have dogshit opinions about LGBTQIA people or immigrants to begin with, what’s rudeness on their part going to do? Lol

                  Their opinions and lives already lack any value.

                  Edit: Just noticed this guy moderates a community filled with bigots that engage in frequent use of an ableist slur, so it looks like this clown is referring to people like himself. “I may be an unhinged bigot, but at least I’m polite so I win!” Just the type of person I’m talking about.

        • @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Hi from the autistic guy that is physically unable to understand the rules of „politeness“ and burns out while pathetically trying to mimic them just to look like a creep anyway.

        • @silvercove@lemdro.id
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          How can we have a pleasant conversation about the murders the American soldiers are committing in the Middle East? How does one be pleasant about murder?

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      is there any chance you are doing it while spouting Kremlin propaganda? because then there is maybe a time to look in the mirror on this one

      • @silvercove@lemdro.id
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        Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…

        You are a joke.

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          Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…

          I mean, if you take what I said and completely change it, I can see why you might be upset at that. Though I would encourage you to reply to what I actually said.

          You are a joke.

          I am indeed a very funny guy, it’s a bit creepy that you know that though.

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              goes on an anti-tankie post Comments that his posts are always dogpilled by the most anti-tankie group. Claims ad hominem when someone points it out.

              :)

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                Is it wrong to engage in a conversation with people we disagree with?

                Would you rather have us segregate based on our opinions?

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              I merely posited that you might be getting into arguments because you have drank the Kremlin propaganda, but from your posts I see it’s more that youblike to defend the Chinese government for some reason or at least like to do “a Whatabout the USA”

              also I am not sure you ubderstand what ad hominem is, it’s attacking the person saying it rather what the person is saying, if I were to say “you are spouting Kremlin propaganda” would be the exact opposite since I would be “attacking” what you are saying not who you are.

              hope that helps

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                A lot of americans and some other westerners always assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be infected with Russian/Chinese/(insert bogeyman) propaganda.

                Whereas the truth is that the Western civilization is on a murder spree and the rest of us who are not Westerners are disgusted by it.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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        Imagine living in the west and genuinely believing that it’s Kremlin propaganda that’s the problem.

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          More than one thing can be wrong at the same time. The constant whataboutism is exhausting…

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            The constant whataboutism is exhausting…

            whataboutism is what hypocrites say when challenged.

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            The only thing exhausting is people using whataboutism to make false equivalents and avoid genuine discussion. People are subjected to orders of magnitude more US propaganda than Russian propaganda, and it clearly has a much greater effect on public opinion. Thanks to people being indoctrinated into US propaganda, they dismiss legitimate problems as fictional Russian propaganda. The fact that you can’t comprehend this illustrates the problem perfectly.

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          Imagine thinking any large state isn’t constantly injecting propaganda into the Internet. Couldn’t be me.

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              What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first.

              I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.

              Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.

              Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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                I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.

                press x to doubt

                Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.

                It’s incredible that somebody could be so deplorably ignorant to think that US doesn’t enforce censorship with state violence. US tortured Manning and is currently having UK torture Assange for revealing US war crimes. Chapter 10 in this book gives lots of examples of political repression in US where activists have been harassed, arrested, and even assassinated by the state https://archive.org/details/DemocracyForTheFew16147062951821

                The only thing you should be sad about is your own ignorance. Maybe instead of claiming that Chomsky can’t distinguish things you should learn about what your regime actually does. Just a thought.

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                  When people talk about censorship, they usually mean of media. Yes, I’m aware that the US government is an evil institution that targets activists and whistleblowers. You’ll never believe me, but I actually despise my government and nearly every person in it. However, authoritarian regimes also strike down those people, but additionally censor the media on top of it. So to say that state censorship is worse here and now is just asinine. There’s no need to make things up to seem worse than they are when they’re already very bad, it just leads to people swinging at ghosts.

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      Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.

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        Doomerism be like:

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.

        Least of all quietism like you display

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        Little do people know everyone is shit

        People who say this think they’re being world-wise when they’re actually just putting out a general warning about themselves

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        Yeah you’re right shits fucked so let’s just accept the status quo, oh would you look at that you’re just supporting the current oppressive system.
        Being a centrist or “apolotical” is just being a conservative while still being able to fuck

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        Just because you don’t care to look into it doesn’t mean you don’t prescribe to any ism

        In fact, people who say shit like that most definitely do

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            I do mean it positively, but I can understand why you would get a negative reading. I was trying to illustrate how reducing words to their components and dismissing them like that is such a stupid thought terminating cliche. Botulism, anarchism, autism, midwesternism, descriptivism are all words ending in -ism but really do not refer to similar or comparable things. The deeper idea that subscribing to or employing an ideology inherently leads to failure, which the original comment asserted, has already been torn to shreds by others, so I targeted the less important but more annoying failure of thought. I should have more carefully selected my words, sorry.

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        “Yes we know absolute monarchs, unequal access to justice, oppression and the dumb wars they get us into are unfair, but no ‘democracism’ will fix it”

        It takes a very basic knowledge of history to understand why this argument is shit.

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    You complained about homeless people you weasely little liar. Go cry about it on /pol/ or go back to reddit

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    OP: “public transport is bad because homeless people use it”

    Gets banned for classism

    OP: powercry-2 THE EVIL COMMUNISTS ARE REPRESSING ME!!

    [6 days later]

    OP (still going after 6 days): “THE EVIL TANKIE COMMIES WONT LET ME TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH I HATE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND ARE POLITICALLY REPRESSING ME!!”

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    reddit will delete this comment cuz they’re controlled by China but fuck the CCP!!!

    same energy

  • VHS [he/him]
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    it looks like the only comments of yours that were removed were for making inflammatory comments about homeless people on public transport in a place you don’t live.

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      Dude I was speaking from experience in that post. I live there and took the train daily. Do I need to show you my LA Metro card to prove it?

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        Post your credit card number and DLN while you’re at it.

        So a mod didn’t like a comment you made which was interpreted as encouraging anti-homeless hate. Instead of just moving on you decided to make this about “tankies” despite no one saying anything about Marxist ideology, China, or anything related. I think you’re just looking to pick a fight with us because we’re dirty pinko commies or something.

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          That was probably a more level headed way to deal with this person than the way too generous effort post I just commented lol

      • The dogspaw
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        If this was reddit I would say that post belongs on r/confidentialityincorrect

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      And it really sucks, because I agree with them (about lemmygrad and hexbear)

    • JoYo
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      stay classy, hexbear

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          The “show 18 more comments” button below this comment isn’t loading and I so desperately want to see the cope within angery

        • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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          I love that y’all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea

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            maybe within north korea

            Don’t worry, absolutely no one there is thinking about internet liberals, the DPRK lives rent-free in your head though xi pointing at the screen

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            If “on the planet” you mean primarily the U.S and secondarily the rest of the “west” while excluding the majority of humanity on the planet, then sure.

            You’re so brainwashed and conditioned into believing you have more in common with some ghoul billionaire that values your life insofar as much as they can extract wealth out of you than your own fellow worker.

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              Obligatory comment that brainwashing is a myth rooted in orientalism and later pseudoscience, propagated by the US in order to make excuses for US soldiers defecting during the Korean War (et al).

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              I mean everywhere that isn’t China or Russia or one of their satellites/annexes yeah.

              Not sure where you got the billionaire thing, I’ve never defended them, in word or action. (Living in a capitalist country and needing a job for resources doesn’t make me a billionaire apologist)

              Liberalism and billionaire worship are not the same thing, same as communism and xi are not the same thing.

              To be clear: just because xi figuratively leads a communist country doesn’t mean this policy is perfectly communist.

              Same thing goes for billionaires existing in a liberal society.

              Lastly, the existence of either doesn’t invalidate the tenets of either ideology

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                Xi is no different than any other billionaire shit head most of the communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses

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                  This is incoherent. Xi has administrative control (or influence) over state enterprises, but he isn’t getting profits or stock options from them, so there are no grounds for calling him a billionaire

                  communist party top leaders use there position to gain control over the state controlled businesses

                  This is like saying you became a police commissioner to gain control over local police cars. Yeah, an explicit part of your job is that you can direct them, but the claim is so tautological that it looks like you are saying something else. It’s not like Xi will retain control of these enterprises after he leaves office.

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                  Xi first started geting so much hate from the west because he actually started purging communist party members for being too involved in the private sector. If he was encouraging the bourgeoisification of the CPC he would be hailed by the west.

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            I am pretty sure “classist” is seen as a valid insult even among radlibs, and many other people believe in equivalent terms (“elitist” is not too far off)

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    You mean your bullshit screed hating on public rail and showing your anti-homeless brainworms where you literally implied that “people don’t hate them enough”?

    Also “boo hoo the ‘tankies’ (whatever that even means to you libs anymore) bullied me for supporting violence against some of the most vulnerable people in the imperial core”

    lmao You have been complaining about this for FIVE DAYS holy shit.

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      I love public rail and took it all over the place when I visited Japan, I even still have the JR Pass ticket in my wallet. If I had one public transportation wish for LA it’s that every freeway have a light rail line like in the 105. As for the homeless situation I am all in for fully funded housing first initiatives and think we haven’t done anywhere near enough for them. That said, the unfortunate state of events between the LA Metro and the city’s homeless allows for some very problematic things to happen in light rail train cars especially during transit. I’ve seen quite a bit of drug use, littering, and even an instance when I had a taser brandished at my face only to find out a second later the guy was trying to sell it to me. I really wish people wouldn’t react so quickly to a post and start accusing them of being some kind of monster.

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        “they certainly don’t hate them enough to chase them away when they are smoking meth on the train” sounds kinda like you think that should be done and that the issue is people not hating the unhoused enough.

        Especially when you come into a space that explicitly advocates for abolishing landlords and start saying that stuff, you should expect ridicule. Instead of complaining about it in other spaces for 5 days and repeatedly doubling down you could just do some very basic self-crit.

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          Now I am not going to take the anti homeless side here but you did claim they were lying about living in LA for not using a local term for train.

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            I’m not the one that made this post but it would track with the general reddit-like nature of their other comments. It sounds like a very common thing I hear from reactionaries IRL that are clearly made-up or are hyperfixating on a hypothetical or outlier incident instead of just understanding that is not a failure of trains. Like the whole context was “sometimes trains aren’t good actually because I saw a mentally unwell person I have no proof is actually homeless.” Not all unhoused people look like the caricature most people have in their head, and not everyone that does drugs in public on a train is actually unhoused, though the latter is certainly a more reasonable assumption to make. The combinations of all these characteristics of this person it was clear they were engaging in bad faith at best, and outright lying at worst. I am not making a judgement either way but it is a specific sort of reactionary thinking that is encountered all too often in online communist spaces, and so it’s no surprise when people have short patience with this sort of thing.

            If you’ve seen it enough you tend to get a sense for this time of debatebro and it’s rare that it’s a simple well-meaning misunderstanding because if it were it is very easy to have some humility. It’s the getting all offended by people laughing at something that is a textbook reactionary response, in a place where bullying libs and reactionaries is a pillar of its community culture. Furthermore going around other instances and complaining about said community sort of makes you fair game and I would not call it brigading, especially in a “what are instances you hate” thread, wherein the User compared us to right wingers. Which is itself a very tired very old trope known as “horseshoe theory”. And last but not least there is the term Tankie which is most often used to imply people on the imperial periphery or global south seeking national liberation are following a problematic ideology (because often the word gets used to refer to anyone left of Bernie Sanders on foreign policy a "tankie), which has deeply white supremacist or western chauvinist connotations.

            So in short, does it really matter whether they live in LA or not? They certainly have a colonizer’s mindset with regard to their local community even if they claim to be for “paying for more social services.” That is like the core reason why social democracy and liberalism are derided as fascism lite by most communists.

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              You sure got a lot of context out of “they certainly don’t hate them enough to chase them away when they are smoking meth on the train”. I don’t think that was a great thing to say (not that it is not an issue and needs to be addressed) but instead of even trying some level of communication or rebuttal it seems like everyone just went full “reactionary” on them.

              There is no “sense for this time of debatebro” or ability to see enough text to pull from that one sentence a sentence of endless fascism (or whatever problematic box). They have every right to get upset and go around other instances, because yours banned them. I have not seen a lot of humility here from anyone involved but what gets me is that some people think they get all the rights but others don’t.

              Yes it does matter whether they live in LA or not as in one case they could be relating an actual experience they had and the other would be them spinning a web. In once case you could do some good and engage and for the other prove they where wrong and acting in bad faith.

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                Thank you for being a voice of reason MooPoo. I apologize if my original comment came off as callous and insensitive. I heavily sympathize with the plight of the homeless and my only problem is with those who can be a danger to themselves or others, especially in an enclosed area like a train. TBH I sympathize with ideologies that are beyond left of the American Overton window since I’m quite familiar with what Western countries have done to suppress them. Thanks for pointing out how they were the ones being reactionary without so much as giving a warning before the ban.

                Nakoichi, I don’t expect you to unban me from your community but I hope we can at least understand each other enough to not see us as enemies.

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                  You’re still sort of dodging the crux of the issue, you continue to place blame on the oppressed rather than engage with our comments and begin to grasp why the ultimate onus of responsibility lies on the oppressing classes. Let’s not get too derailed here (pun intended) from the original context: Your comments were a critique of public transit, followed by trying to back up that critique with a personal anecdote of a time you felt threatened by a homeless person. The responses to this barely surface level take that indicated influence by a deluge of reactionary propaganda were not out of line to make uncharitable assumptions about you, since we have had a large influx of bad faith arguments along these lines since federating.

                  I am not the one that banned you, and you’re right it’s not even in my power since I am not a mod of c/urbanism, but it should be a point of self reflection on why that is the route you took instead of being indignant about it. You’re the one that came into our instance and you might not understand what our rules fully entail or what reactionary behavior is but that’s not really our fault, I gave you a detailed breakdown of the reasons folks that post like this get banned so quickly and you might read it if you care as much as you appear to.

                  Hell you can still post on Hexbear if you aren’t site banned but you might try to start by asking good faith questions without preloading them with personal grievances. Or you can ask me, I’m pretty patient when I have reason to believe the inquirer is acting in good faith.

                  That said just be aware that civility is often reserved for people that have proven the latter so given prior engagement, just don’t expect people not to dunk on you for an exceptionally bad take. Ignorance is not always a good excuse.

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                  Thank you for apologizing and not turning out to be a total asshat as that would have been awkward.

                  (leaving this space in case ass is worn like hat in the future)

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          So whats your plan other then just let them smoke meth and steal from people obviously something needs to be done but putting your head in the sand and pretending there isn’t actually a problem won’t fix anything

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            A socialist state where housing is a guarantee and where poverty doesn’t lead to widespread drug use because it doesn’t exist. Also addiction recovery programs in the transitional state.

            Why. What is yours, push them into a comically large blender? Or a prison, how about a prison?

            • The dogspaw
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              Sure where people have wings and cancer doesn’t exist yes the communist state is so great you choose to live in the west

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                For as much as the news talks about a declining birth rate, you are aware that people are still born in the west, right?

                “Move”

                You knowing moving isn’t free and it isn’t easy for most people to get a job in a country whose language they don’t speak, right?

                Furthermore, even if someone does move, then you don’t take it as proof they are a hypocrite but rather proof they are delusional, so your original claims is just bad faith bullshit.

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                  Well apparently everything is free in the communist utopia of china I’m sure you will do ok as a white dude with no money in china

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                You know that real world socialist states don’t have a homelessness problem anywhere approaching the west, especially the US, right?

                The only fantasy here is in your capitalist realism soaked brain.

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                  Right the millions of poor rural Chinese living below the poverty line don’t exist sure if you pretend that the problem doesn’t exist it makes it easier to believe the ccp propaganda