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Didn’t Lenin say he felt he’d never see a revolution in his lifetime?
Yes. For many years he was saying Russia will have to finish the bourgeoisie revolution, he barely even wrote about socialist one. Even after february revolution he did not believed socialist one would happen in years. October revolution only stared to seriously brew around june 1917.
Of course, let that not fool us. In Russia socialists were strong, even if divided, with years of tradition and many organizations.
In US… nope.
And they also had unique challenges that we do not. Things are very different, absolutely, and we will have to learn a lot as we go along. But we will win. Even in a godforsaken place like the United States. Blood will be spilled, untold suffering will occur. But it’s going to happen, and I think we will have a chance to see it a lot sooner than people expect, I can see them barely, laboriously surviving this financial cycle but not the next. In the 90s, there was hardly any communists in America, it was a joke, a dead meme, an obscure hobby. Suddenly '08 hits and it gets legs. Ruthless suppression and yet there are probably more communists now than there have been in America for a hundred years, and it only keeps rising. Add in the empire’s death and its seemingly omnipotent weapons will shrivel up as our numbers only continue to grow.
Times were a bit different back then with no ClA, Ml6, Hollywood, NYTimes, Reuters, Wikipedia, Google, YouTube, Meta, Reddit, LA music industry, etc. etc.
Okay. But there was a populace half drenched in thousands of years of the divine right of kings, and the other half suckered in to this sparkly new idea called capitalism. There was no Internet and people often were very subservient to their masters their whole lives. There was no access to the alternative, and it was much more accepted by the general public for their ruling class to just hang or shoot dissidents of the mildest flavor, they didn’t have to make a huge convoluted effort of hiding their evils. There was no precedent to socialism, the Bolsheviks had little friends and what few they did (such as other European working classes) did not all rise up like they thought they would. People were completely brainwashed by huge, powerful churches. Yes modern technology is used against us, but also in our favor, I’m literally talking to you from who knows how many miles away, I’m a revolutionary that without the internet who would have exposed me to such ideas, such a wealth of experience and information? I would have grown up, lived and died in a small village who knows where, probably before I hit the age of 40, from some disease that is no worse than a cold these days.
I could keep aimlessly rambling but while we have very new and scary challenges here in the 21st century, they too had their totally unique and seemingly omnipotent challenges. The omnipotence is smoke and mirrors, a mirage, and the sole purpose of this illusion is to hold together a system that is incredibly incompetent, irrational, intuitively unpopular and fragile.
Yes, our enemies have evolved with the times. But so have we. And we now live in a time and age where the hegemony has started dying left to its own devices, with the colonized parts of the world rising up and rallying behind a communist nation that 1/8th of THE ENTIRE WORLD’S POPULATION LIVES IN.
Do not get lost in doomerism, it is a foreign agent, a poison from the bourgeois built on lies and a psychological strategy to try and manipulate us in overestimating our enemies and underestimating ourselves. Our predecessors have faced far worse than these chumps, these paper tigers. Have faith, look to the rising red tide in the East and the South, and dammit have hope!
haha I like your motivation pep talk, you’re a great writer
dw I do have hope in the East, I just took OP’s post “it ain’t gonna happen …” to mean revolution in the USA/West, in which case I will resolutely be a doomer unless somebody can show me analysis that says otherwise
You mentioned the wonders of the internet but in the entire world except few exceptions like China and DPRK, it’s a huge advantage to the ruling class because they control it
You can try to spread ideas as an influencer but you’ll get censored and banned (gzd lmao). You can try to spread messages as a group but you’ll be drowned out by liberals that are backed by hoards of bots and foreign workers
You can try to organize but all your communications will be read and all your movements tracked. You get 1 foot over the red line and you’ll be assassinated or disappeared like the BLM founders at Ferguson and there’s nothing you can do to stop it
Capitalist poisoning permeates through every single faucet of entertainment online, to the point where even a very large percentage of Vietnamese people (and possibly a majority of youths) love the USA despite the CPV controlling the media because of their cultural hegemony over the internet
You may be talking to me over thousands of miles thanks to the internet but you’re also talking to the NSA, ClA, FBl, and dozens of algorithms designed by teams of PhDs
I agree with a lot of what you say, and yes I am not exactly thrilled with the state of affairs here in the US/West.
Now this might be less based in fact and more wishful thinking on my part, but I would like to think as the rest of the world breaks free from American imperialism and a new communist wave begins to cover the globe, that the new powers will help us here in the crumbling imperialist empires. China as an example spent many decades with a policy of non-interventionism regarding Western fuckery and nascent leftist movements, but they seem to be shifting towards Western confrontation and helping many leftist revolutionaries and states recently IMO. I do not think it is too crazy to think that as the West dies, barely able to do much but flagellate its own civilians, that China etc. might show up and try to help by stamping out the capitalist hegemony and all the roving fascist paramilitaries, supplying aid, weapons and training to communist forces in the area. Like what America does today but in reverse. We could be left to flounder and die with a whimper but I think the compassion and humanity of rising communists such as the Chinese has been well-illustrated. They might very well be the deus ex machina that saves many of us from a very dark fate here in the West, particularly in America.
yea I’ve considered that too but I wonder how well the general population would take that
because to have a successful revolution you would need the people on your side because even if China helps communists take control of the country, the people are just gonna rise up against you if they don’t support you
and it seems unlikely to un-brainwash the populace enough to do that, especially if China is backing the communists (are libs gonna listen to and trust literal CPC backed rebel groups? probably not)
He is Lenin bro
And? Do you know how easily history could have swallowed up Lenin and he could have been a nobody? Do you know how many Lenins there are right now, working at McDonald’s, picking fruits, pushing paper in an office? History has made these men and women legends, and we should absolutely aspire to be like them, to emulate their bravery and wit and heart. But they are not gods. They are people who were flawed and who had a miraculous bit of luck on their side. We don’t know who fortune will favor, maybe we all might end up with an undignified death and quickly forgotten…or maybe not. You yourself might be a Lenin, or somebody similar. I could be. Anybody reading this could be. Regardless if history remembers us or not, the challenges we face are surmountable. There is nothing we are facing that we cannot beat. Give yourself, your comrades, and the millions of other communists across the world more credit than that, friend.
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yes it will happen in your lifetime, if you make it happen.
before every communist revolution that has ever happened, people said it wasn’t possible. they said the capitalist forces were too strong, that the conditions weren’t right, that the people were too complacent, et cetera. they were proven wrong every time.
don’t listen to defeatist reactionary fools. make change occur
Why do I get the feeling every single post by @ZeroGravity is so heavily doomer pilled? Are you alright man? I see your posts pop up every now and then and its always pessimistic. We have to remain hopeful that we can succeed as it is vital to making the change happen. Throwing up our hands and wallowing in despair is exactly what the ruling class want from us, to accept that they have won and we will never stop them. Depression is a real problem, its understandable too, times are rough. But spreading this sort of defeatist rhetoric will stop people from even trying, and just cause an endless cycle of lost hope. If we throw up our hands and say it’s impossible, we are every bit as responsible for the lack of change as those in power who fight against it.
Yeah just depression haha (i’m actually a federal agent)
Havana syndrome strikes again
The current geopolitical changes are actually making me more optimistic
Yes, it is going to happen. I would be very surprised if the American empire managed to last another 30 years. Put your hand on the pulse comrade, do you not see this embarrassing behemoth flailing about as it falls, giving its all just to slow its inevitable descent? Do you not feel the powerful nation of communists we call China finally spreading its wings and confronting imperialism on a global scale, to great success? Do you not feel the rest of the world bucking, one by one, joining the Red wave and depriving America of another victim to siphon? Even its European lapdogs are skittishly glancing around and considering jumping ship. Put your hand on the pulse of this abomination of a country. Do you not feel the tension? There are fascists, there liberals, but there is also a great many of people who intuitively feel there is something wrong, and that the solutions they are sold are bullshit. Look how excited people got for a tepid Bernie Sanders, people who were previously a part of the 2/3 of the population who don’t vote, who are politically apathetic. These people are the future. Even many of the libs will be disillusioned as Democrats and their appendages continue to shovel shit down everybody’s mouths, as life gets tangibly worse for more and more people, ESPECIALLY if we take advantage of these grievances and show them the way through all the capitalist-sponsored ridicule and demonization. Every day, I hear people we write off as chuds and libs espousing socialist values beneath all the buzzwords and false consciousnesses. Every day, America grows a little more desperate, and it shows in their actions. Their chickens have come home to roost. It’s not likely to happen tomorrow morning, no, but I wouldn’t be surprised if life completely upheavals sometime in the next decade or two. Don’t despair, comrade. That is exactly what the CIA & Friends have been wanting you to feel like, they are fighting everyday to try and encourage doomerism and depression amongst would-be revolutionaries. It’s desperate, it’s pathetic. Don’t fall for it. Go chew on some China Good, take a walk outside, call your favorite parent, clean your room, eat some vegetables. No more doomerism!
I’m confident about non-western countries but I don’t think the western bloc will allow a revolution to happen anytime soon. We’ve got no strength, our revolutionaries are all idealists, on the other hand fascists are armed trained and disciplined, supported by the capitalist media, and their ideas are deeply accepted by liberals.
I’ll be happy to see Imperialists deprived of their ressources and the populace not even realizing how wrong they were, coping and seething as their privilege get taken from them. I don’t think I’m a doomer I’m just cynical, I’m going to watch my home country burn and become like every victim they’ve made with their wars, I’ll have to deal with it but I’ll be comforted by the fact it’s going to be for the greater good
Me burning my thumbs on this thread cuz DOOMERISM is a FOREIGN INJECTED CANCER and is UNWARRANTED! Do NOT fall for it! There is SO much to be hopeful for!!!
