In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.
I don’t really get this because anyone participating in this is left enough that they probably wouldn’t want to date a misogynistic, right wing men.
Maybe I am too man to understand but hoping to get a better perspective.
Edit: After thinking about this I could see how the movement could help encourage woman out of these toxic relationships and empower them to live without a man.
Yeah, my niece, who is generally a worldly, progressive person, was talking about this guy whom she’s not ready to call ‘boyfriend’ yet, and part of that description was, “he’s, like, super into Hitler.”
Doesn’t that seem like kind of a red flag? ??
I feel like this is only really a lever that can be tweaked on the subset of American men who didn’t vote or voted for Trump and are in a relationship with a woman who is part of this movement. Which I can’t believe is very large.
This is not putting the burden on women of this movement but it will inevitably be used in fascist talking points about how the “libruls are brainwashing women to not have sex with you”, further propaganda that will go into radicalizing young men.
But what if you want a nice bit of cock? Seems like a bit of a crap movement.
This is kind of how Idiocracy starts.
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It’s like being an antinatalist but because you have a bug up your ass.
A message to my fellow guys: if you dislike this, guess what: it’s real easy to stop being the target of it. All you have to do is quit being a misogynistic, authoritarian piece of shit.
For real, it’s astounding(not really) how much women appreciate not being treated and viewed like they are things to be owned and controlled
Respectfully, this isn’t on dudes.
Four and eight years ago young men overwhelmingly supported Bernie Sanders, and they were ridiculed for it. Dems even made up an epithet for it: Bernie Bros.
The perspective you’re showing in this reply is why Republicans won. You can’t make it very clear you don’t want young men to vote for you and then be surprised when they don’t.
What are you talking about? Bernie Bros are the diametric opposite of the problem. My comment is addressing all the men but them!
Never mind.
I’m wasting my breath, but thank you for the discussion.
Yeah man, gamer gate didn’t happen 🙄
You can live in 2008 and 2014, but I can guarantee you (if what you saw this week wasn’t enough) that people are a tad more concerned with their inability to pay for groceries and the necessity of rationing their meds.
The voters told Dems what they wanted. Dems told them to be joyful about being in poverty.
They didn’t vote Trump out of hatred of women. (Most, at least. Some surely did.) They voted Trump because Harris represented a very shitty status quo.
They thought Trump was going to save them from poverty? Did he save them from poverty last time?
I understand the sentiment, but this is intrinsically self-defeating if at most one half of the female population participates while the other half if quickly drifting towards the trad-wife high birth rate shit.
It is just math.
I don’t expect this to go anywhere, but wouldn’t limiting the dating pool create a more competitive market for men?
If that is a good thing, that I don’t know
We are in the middle of a loneliness epidemic. For both women and men. Denying themselves companionship and love will only make people more miserable.
Welp, another reason to stay away from the usa
It’s not just the US. It’s mostly everywhere. It’s a byproduct of the internet existing and so many people being addicted to it. It’s a byproduct of people overworking themselves, working shit hours / nights so they cannot interact in a healthy way - without being literal zombies. It’s a problem with the mental health crisis too - with the loneliness epidemic fueling it, and the mental health crisis fueling the loneliness epidemic. More people are scared of dating and getting hurt. More people are scared of commitment. People go nuts locked up alone in tiny boxes they call a home, don’t know how to get out and don’t want to risk inviting someone in. People got comfortable with how things are going for them, even if it’s going completely shit. Then there are the dating app companies, whose entire gimmick is to get you hooked onto a monthly subscription. Which, aside from someone who is looking to hook up only, is about as counter to what they should be as possible.
Well, let’s hope the place I live doesn’t catch up
Oh for sure. Being alone most of one’s life is torture for a lot of people. It changes them, often for worse. Humans are social creatures and it shows.
Yep, it’s very important to your health
Sorry about the fucking idiots. Thanks for not fucking the idiots
Looks like a lot of places followed along
Gen-X men got him elected. As a white man in his 40s, I’m disgusted. After moving out of the city, I just can’t converse with most of the white men my age. The majority of my friends are now younger than me or POC.
It’s my understanding that a lot of Gen-Z men backed Trump as well. Can’t say I understand the appeal he has to the younger crowd.
The appeal was that Harris represented a status quo that has people working 2-3 jobs for the privilege of being unable to afford living in the US, and for Gen Z’ers, it also meant a status quo that has them permanently indebted.
And she spent two months insisting that people should be joyful about it. I said it back in June. Trump could win because he doesn’t have to lie about how hard Biden’s presidency has affected the middle class and the poor, and people who don’t like him won’t care about his social policies because he will represent the candidate of change.
Also, don’t come at me. I voted Green in a deep red state.
They were split 47/49 Trump.
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Do you have a citation for this? Maybe it’s just the circles I run in, but I don’t know any gen-x men who voted for Trump.
White people 45-64 accounted for 25% of the votes. 62% of them voted for Trump.
Men 45-64 was the leading demographic for age by gender at 60%.
Wild. I must really live in a bubble or something. Most Gen Xers I know were born in the 1970s and aren’t religious or Republican, and they actually vote. Maybe it’s because I don’t live in a rural area.
I do know a bunch of people born pre-1970 that probably voted Trump.
I’m now in suburban NY, just north of the city. Old money Republicans make the county red.
Gen-X men got him elected.
Like all things Gen-X, there aren’t enough of us for negative or positive change. In 2022 only 23% were Gen-X (down 3% from 2012), and assuming equal split on gender, that would be about 11.5% men, and I know for sure 100% of Gen-X men DID NOT vote for trump. For the sake of your argument lets say 70% of those men did thats only 8% of the vote. source
I don’t think its a supportable statement to say that this specific 8% are the reason trump was elected without ignoring the other 45% of the electorate.
Did all you ladies see my post? Pretty hot, huh?
I have genitofemoral neuropathy. I’m not satisfying any women anytime soon. lol
Fair observation though.
More women voted for Harris, but there was still a giant number of women who voted for Trump. The women who voted for him won’t do this and the women who didn’t vote for him wouldn’t have dated been who did anyway.
You’re really missing the point if you think this is about who a man voted for, and not about a woman not wanting to risk her life because any fuckwad stealthed her or even accidentally got her pregnant. Misogyny and sexual crimes do not follow party lines, they are pervasive throughout society, and the fewer choices women have, the more we will protect ourselves.
Hey, I’m completely on board with the fight. I 100% believe no one but the person and their doctor should be involved in any healthcare decisions, and I’m an advocate for women. I just think that this particular approach will accomplish nothing. The only people it will impact are the people who are already like-minded.
If I were a cis woman, I also wouldn’t want to risk pregnancy by being with a cis man. Certainly not in a country where being pregnant is increasingly more dangerous to one’s life.
Also for my trans homies - remember that HRT is not birth control.
I’m all for women doing this, I’m just worried it’ll literally be the beginning of Idiocracy.
Idiocracy would be a significant upgrade from our current predicament.
4B? Isn’t this just Lysistrata?
As we always say on my screenwriting podcast, there are no new stories.
I’ve heard there are only two stories:
- A hero goes on a journey
- A stranger comes to town
