- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- feminism@beehaw.org
In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.
Gen-X men got him elected. As a white man in his 40s, I’m disgusted. After moving out of the city, I just can’t converse with most of the white men my age. The majority of my friends are now younger than me or POC.
It’s my understanding that a lot of Gen-Z men backed Trump as well. Can’t say I understand the appeal he has to the younger crowd.
They were split 47/49 Trump.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
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The appeal was that Harris represented a status quo that has people working 2-3 jobs for the privilege of being unable to afford living in the US, and for Gen Z’ers, it also meant a status quo that has them permanently indebted.
And she spent two months insisting that people should be joyful about it. I said it back in June. Trump could win because he doesn’t have to lie about how hard Biden’s presidency has affected the middle class and the poor, and people who don’t like him won’t care about his social policies because he will represent the candidate of change.
Also, don’t come at me. I voted Green in a deep red state.
I’m not here to come at you, but do you really think Biden is the reason times are hard? When they managed to get $170,000,000,000 of student debt forgiven, and the Republicans blocked an additional $430,000,000,000, that didn’t stick with people?
Yes, I do.
Biden has made hundreds of millions appear out of thin air for war, and very little appear out of thin air for American suffering. I agree with you that the limited debt cancellation was a huge thing, and I’m glad he did it. I personally know someone who had $200,000 forgiven, and I’m grateful for that.
But it’s undeniable that Democrats didn’t follow through on their mandate for change under Biden.
Has he, or has he made hundreds of millions worth of 30 year old explosives and drones disappear? This is genuinely why we lost. People read a headline like “Biden sends multi-million dollar aid package to [foreign country]” and think he sent someone over with a fucking duffel bag full of hundred dollar bills. I see the same complaints about space exploration. It’s depressing.
I feel like I need to point out that student loan forgiveness was in the hundreds of billions and was the most direct thing they could do to actually help longterm… since medical reform is apparently a non-starter per Obama’s efforts. Climate change will continue to make everything worse, but I guess we can try to artificially prop things up to delay and worsen externalities coming home to roost. /shrug
Perhaps some introspection is in order. If feminists can’t figure out how to coexist with others, without turning everything into a battle, then they’re ultimately going to prove to the world that they have no business at all being anywhere near power. Frankly, women have been given a great deal of autonomy in western civilization recently, and have set themselves to the task of burning everything down. It’s not at all a good look, and how the younger generation sees you should be a wake up call.
Feminists are not the one aggressively turning men into this. It’s toxic masculinity types like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, and Joe Rogan.
Keep doubling down. I’m sure you’ve almost got the formula right.
Look inward my dude. You have some really fucked up ideas about women. Women are just people like you or me and deserve full rights including to their body. If you can’t accept that you don’t see women as fully human and you are, to be technical, an asshole.
The scary feminists are turning men into douchebags not the notable douchebags with a platform spewing hate, sure buddy.
If thats your logic, when are men going to apologize for WWI and WWII? How about an apology for the Holomodor? Are these the evidence you’re using to show that men deserve to be in power?
Oh? Which part of men’s bodies are women given legal power to control?
BTW, I’m a dude, I’m just not deluded enough to think that my genitals make me smarter that people with other genitals.
Autonomy is not “given.”
It is when you’re still so deep inside the system mentally that you require products to facilitate your lifestyle. If you want to know how to be free without relying upon society to grant you that privilege, you should look into this cool guy from Roman times named Jesus.
Look I never do this, but… 🤮
And seriously… if you’re trying to be a “good Christian witness”… this is not the way.
Not even really Christian, but he still provides a great example of what it actually means to live in this world. Too many people want freedom, but don’t want to give up the luxuries that others provide for them. Frankly a lot of Christians don’t get that part of the message either.
Do you have a citation for this? Maybe it’s just the circles I run in, but I don’t know any gen-x men who voted for Trump.
White people 45-64 accounted for 25% of the votes. 62% of them voted for Trump.
Men 45-64 was the leading demographic for age by gender at 60%.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
Wild. I must really live in a bubble or something. Most Gen Xers I know were born in the 1970s and aren’t religious or Republican, and they actually vote. Maybe it’s because I don’t live in a rural area.
I do know a bunch of people born pre-1970 that probably voted Trump.
I’m now in suburban NY, just north of the city. Old money Republicans make the county red.
Like all things Gen-X, there aren’t enough of us for negative or positive change. In 2022 only 23% were Gen-X (down 3% from 2012), and assuming equal split on gender, that would be about 11.5% men, and I know for sure 100% of Gen-X men DID NOT vote for trump. For the sake of your argument lets say 70% of those men did thats only 8% of the vote. source
I don’t think its a supportable statement to say that this specific 8% are the reason trump was elected without ignoring the other 45% of the electorate.
Did all you ladies see my post? Pretty hot, huh?
I have genitofemoral neuropathy. I’m not satisfying any women anytime soon. lol
Fair observation though.
Hey unrelated and probably a little invasive of me, but just wanted to say you definitely can still enjoy sex with women even if you aren’t using your penis. Oral is often enough for many women, along with dildos, kissing, and breast stimulation. Please don’t feel like you can’t have a sexual relationship just because of that, it is possible (and is the norm for many lesbian couples).
There are also electrical prostate stimulators (based on the medical device that does the same thing) that will induce orgasm. Idk if that would work with your neuropathy or if it would make it worse etc but those are a thing. I will warn you that all electrical exposure including TENS units increase your risk of developing ALS later in life though, it’s why I retired estim toys from my practice. However, up to you. A prostate shock every now and then may be worth the increased risk to you.
I don’t mind talking about it. As of now, a moderate degree of arousal is too painful to be worthwhile, so masturbation and oral are out.
The sympathetic muscular response to the pain causes persistent contraction of the lower abdominal and pelvic muscles, leaving them way too tight. I’ve been working with PT to stretch and relax them, but the progress has been slow. I can finally use a Valium suppository without horrible pain from application, so anal play is out until I can control my pelvic floor muscles again.
I appreciate the estim idea! Who knows. I’ve been so surprised by what hurts and what doesn’t since my injury that I couldn’t predict how that would work. I’ll give it a try. Thanks!