I had a vaush and breadtube stan tell me “why do we let tankies infiltrate the last leftist spaces??” (on a subreddit I moderate and have moderated as a tankie for more than a year).
Googling his nickname brought me to his twitter page, where he explained his “leftist journey”. He was a socdem in May, and less than 3 months later he’s now confident enough to identify as a libertarian socialist.
Dude is loathed by both marxists and anarchists but watching Vaush is apparently enough theory to get up in arms about the ebil tankies using leftist spaces.
This is, incidentally, my gripe about breadtube and why I made that post the the other day (also sorry for not answering anyone there, too many comments to answer everyone!).
Vaush is misleading hundreds of people and in his quest to appeal to reactionaries, he’s becoming one himself. If you spend time debating fascists and answering prageru videos (which is really the bottom of the barrel tbh), it’s time you’re not spending teaching socialism. Figures they would have a completely ahistorical, liberal view of socialism. (Also Vaush is a counter-revolutionary radlib that proudly exclaims he doesn’t read theory, there’s that too)
The only way to sustain such bullshit views is to actively not read theory, history or the movements of classes through history so I guess thats why he would exclaim that
Vaush on LGBT and Trans people: “The left community online, particularly the LGBT community, is cancerous as fuck” “You don’t have to be a psychologist to see that a large portion of the broader woket–d cancel-culture idpol left, is predicated on shared mental illness. This is particularly prevalent in the trans community. If you disagree with me on this, you’re wrong. […] These people are sub-human.”
This, I don’t care about the polemics that happen between Anarchists and us ML/MLMs, because it’s usually comradely criticisms, it’s a huge divide but not too huge to poison the well as it were. Anarchists that actually read Kropotkin or Bakunin or Proudhon would inevitable come into contact with Communists and have a chance to learn. But Vaush on the other hand actively poisons the well and even bullies anyone in his crowd who speaks of theory. Vaush’s foundations are so weak that anyone that strays from his political line is bullied, Anarchists who also read anything beyond just Noam Chomsky is bullied.
I wouldn’t even mind if Vaush were a well read Anarchist who would engage in polemics with “tankies” because at least it wouldn’t leave his audience completely confused on what leftism is and just restrict it to Ideology vs Materialism. Where now you have his audience not knowing what the fuck they are, leaving them essentially as radical liberals with a whole slew of confusing contradictory beliefs. It’s what he does to his audience that worries me, it’s not a place of learning for leftists it’s only a platform for owning the fascists and that’s fine as long as he doesn’t talk about leftism.
There’s a subset of woke-liberal “leftists” who believe that because we Marxists actively read theory, that we’re not unlike preachers reading the bible and reject the idea that our scientific theory can be useful for their revolution. They very often actively oppose theory, equating it to theology and belittling it on their existing anti-theist basis. Vaush is one of those.
In reality, they’re upset that we’ve taken the time to formulate a set of scientific theories that can be tested in the world, and have decided that - because it’s not their theories, and because we adhere to the theories like good scientists - it’s something to be opposed and belittled on thinly-veiled anti-intellectual grounds. Often saying things like “real working-class people don’t have time to read” to make them seem like “real” leftists, and us seem like elitists with the privilege of time. Which, of course, is bullshit. Most Marxists I know who’re well-read did their reading while at their job. I used to work with someone who operated heavy equipment while reading theory.
I saw this in Chapo too. Whenever an unironic “read theory” post was made, some came out in defense of their aversion of reading saying “I don’t need to read theory. I am radicalised by my material conditions.”
So was your uncle, smartass. Now he blames <insert race> people for his problems.
So many people rushing to spam thought-cancelling tropes about the poor working people who don’t have the time, energy or skill to read old books. So few people asking how to make theory available to the masses.
I used to get bummed about left twitter/reddit/fb/etc and breadtube having a weak influence or basis in reality but now I see some merits to corralling white saviors and left-libs into an alternate dimension.
You raise a good point about the false dichotomy of the issue that I hadn’t thought about.
This is an actual problem because of stuff like this:
Approximately 32 million adults in the United States can’t read, according to the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found that 50 percent of U.S. adults can’t read a book written at an eighth-grade level.
I’m sure other places have problems of this sort as well.
If people are illiterate or incapable of reading in any capacity then it falls on us as teachers to educate them.
The NPA in the Philippines holds study sessions for the poor rural population, many of these people can’t read but you can still read to them. They also teach them to read because the government won’t. I know a South American comrade who sought asylum here several years ago, and he told me he used to organise peasants in his home country with Mao, because he was so accessible. I didn’t really inquire further, but I assume the same applied: either they read to them or taught them to read.
And of course there are audio books, courses (sometimes online), and other means of getting actual theory.
But if someone doesn’t want to be educated, there isn’t much we can do I think. At least not online.
Marxists actively read theory, that we’re not unlike preachers reading the bible
This makes no sense - not your fault - there’s, when ML are nominally agnostic/atheist, appose hierarchy. It would take some real mental gymnastics to arrive at this.
Most Marxists I know who’re well-read did their reading while at their job. I used to work with someone who operated heavy equipment while reading theory.
There’s even audio books & podcasts that dissect theory or where you can passively absorb ML theory - many of these sources are available on youtube et al., so fucking galling and ridiculous!
Send them the book about the Alabama communist sharecroppers.
Great recession, from ex-slave families, many illiterate, sharecroppers (slavery with extra steps), black in white Amerika… and they still found time to teach and read Lenin.
I had a vaush and breadtube stan tell me “why do we let tankies infiltrate the last leftist spaces??” (on a subreddit I moderate and have moderated as a tankie for more than a year).
Googling his nickname brought me to his twitter page, where he explained his “leftist journey”. He was a socdem in May, and less than 3 months later he’s now confident enough to identify as a libertarian socialist.
Dude is loathed by both marxists and anarchists but watching Vaush is apparently enough theory to get up in arms about the ebil tankies using leftist spaces.
This is, incidentally, my gripe about breadtube and why I made that post the the other day (also sorry for not answering anyone there, too many comments to answer everyone!).
Vaush is misleading hundreds of people and in his quest to appeal to reactionaries, he’s becoming one himself. If you spend time debating fascists and answering prageru videos (which is really the bottom of the barrel tbh), it’s time you’re not spending teaching socialism. Figures they would have a completely ahistorical, liberal view of socialism. (Also Vaush is a counter-revolutionary radlib that proudly exclaims he doesn’t read theory, there’s that too)
The only way to sustain such bullshit views is to actively not read theory, history or the movements of classes through history so I guess thats why he would exclaim that
So many left subreddits are just seasonal catalogues for Ideology™
Here’s what I got on him specifically.
VaushV
A few links are dead
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoreMoreTankieChapo/comments/hshrxs/vaush_drops_the_mask_for_48_seconds/
https://twitter.com/AlMuntherO_O/status/1260679840698634242?s=20
https://twitter.com/guajirx/status/1280314035217588224?s=21
It’s also at $1,886 per month now
This, I don’t care about the polemics that happen between Anarchists and us ML/MLMs, because it’s usually comradely criticisms, it’s a huge divide but not too huge to poison the well as it were. Anarchists that actually read Kropotkin or Bakunin or Proudhon would inevitable come into contact with Communists and have a chance to learn. But Vaush on the other hand actively poisons the well and even bullies anyone in his crowd who speaks of theory. Vaush’s foundations are so weak that anyone that strays from his political line is bullied, Anarchists who also read anything beyond just Noam Chomsky is bullied.
I wouldn’t even mind if Vaush were a well read Anarchist who would engage in polemics with “tankies” because at least it wouldn’t leave his audience completely confused on what leftism is and just restrict it to Ideology vs Materialism. Where now you have his audience not knowing what the fuck they are, leaving them essentially as radical liberals with a whole slew of confusing contradictory beliefs. It’s what he does to his audience that worries me, it’s not a place of learning for leftists it’s only a platform for owning the fascists and that’s fine as long as he doesn’t talk about leftism.
OK, I’m not familiar with breadtube, but how on earth does he justify that?
There’s a subset of woke-liberal “leftists” who believe that because we Marxists actively read theory, that we’re not unlike preachers reading the bible and reject the idea that our scientific theory can be useful for their revolution. They very often actively oppose theory, equating it to theology and belittling it on their existing anti-theist basis. Vaush is one of those.
In reality, they’re upset that we’ve taken the time to formulate a set of scientific theories that can be tested in the world, and have decided that - because it’s not their theories, and because we adhere to the theories like good scientists - it’s something to be opposed and belittled on thinly-veiled anti-intellectual grounds. Often saying things like “real working-class people don’t have time to read” to make them seem like “real” leftists, and us seem like elitists with the privilege of time. Which, of course, is bullshit. Most Marxists I know who’re well-read did their reading while at their job. I used to work with someone who operated heavy equipment while reading theory.
I saw this in Chapo too. Whenever an unironic “read theory” post was made, some came out in defense of their aversion of reading saying “I don’t need to read theory. I am radicalised by my material conditions.”
So was your uncle, smartass. Now he blames <insert race> people for his problems.
So many people rushing to spam thought-cancelling tropes about the poor working people who don’t have the time, energy or skill to read old books. So few people asking how to make theory available to the masses.
I used to get bummed about left twitter/reddit/fb/etc and breadtube having a weak influence or basis in reality but now I see some merits to corralling white saviors and left-libs into an alternate dimension.
You raise a good point about the false dichotomy of the issue that I hadn’t thought about.
This is an actual problem because of stuff like this:
I’m sure other places have problems of this sort as well.
If people are illiterate or incapable of reading in any capacity then it falls on us as teachers to educate them.
The NPA in the Philippines holds study sessions for the poor rural population, many of these people can’t read but you can still read to them. They also teach them to read because the government won’t. I know a South American comrade who sought asylum here several years ago, and he told me he used to organise peasants in his home country with Mao, because he was so accessible. I didn’t really inquire further, but I assume the same applied: either they read to them or taught them to read.
And of course there are audio books, courses (sometimes online), and other means of getting actual theory.
But if someone doesn’t want to be educated, there isn’t much we can do I think. At least not online.
This makes no sense - not your fault - there’s, when ML are nominally agnostic/atheist, appose hierarchy. It would take some real mental gymnastics to arrive at this.
There’s even audio books & podcasts that dissect theory or where you can passively absorb ML theory - many of these sources are available on youtube et al., so fucking galling and ridiculous!
Send them the book about the Alabama communist sharecroppers.
Great recession, from ex-slave families, many illiterate, sharecroppers (slavery with extra steps), black in white Amerika… and they still found time to teach and read Lenin.