Looks like he…
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Dodged a bullet…
Queue loud song by The Who…
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
¿Que loud song?
We’re talking about the way a TV show starts called CSI: MIAMI.
Basically, there’s always a clever remark from the lead, followed by the opening credits accompanied by part of a song by The Who.
Baba O’reilly.
Won’t Get Fooled Again
Glad he got off. I always thought it was bullshit that anyone would try to hold him accountable. The weapons expert, yes. The actor who was told the prop was safe, hell no.
Yes and no. The circumstances surrounding the death were… Not great. Evidence of Baldwin playing with the weapon, pretending to fire it, aiming it at cast and crew, etc… Plus there’s the whole “they were filming during a strike, and Baldwin (who was also the executive producer) went out of his way to hire an unqualified scab as a weapons master” part of things too.
The armouror was a scab? That’s the first I’m hearing of that. Do you have a link?
I don’t think that’s accurate but I think the set did have scabs as it was during strike and there was coverage back then of this.
Armorer was under qualified and over work, which is normal for sets but does make you wonder how much that impacted her performance. There were also reports of understanding but that’s just business 101 nowadays.
Exactly this. There are a few reasons to hold him accountable. Plus she DIED, she wasn’t just injured.
That last bit is pretty damning. I hadn’t heard that. Changes my thinking about his culpability.
There were no details, what evidence was withheld?
Amazing how they handled their case properly for the wage slave and got a conviction too…
While here they mishandled the case for a rich parasite?
How does this always happen haha
Clown world
If they wanted to let a rich person walk free they could have simply refused to prosecute
That would be make the prosecutor look very bad in such high profile case.
“Technical fumble” allows them to save face.
Technical fumbles hurt them professionally a lot more. This was a pretty bad fuck up.
Well then it must have really been worth it then.
I am not saying this case is one way or the other but y’all acting like it is definitely not corruption when statistical analysis indicates that wealthy perps get away with murder.
At some point, people start to notice.
Sure. But also it’s the states job to prove a guilty verdict. And personally if they’re gonna pull this crap I’m happy the case got dismissed.
But also it’s the states job to prove a guilty verdict.
The state clearly “tried”
It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it
The prosecutor mishandled critical evidence which makes her look like a fucking idiot at best and corrupt at worst. There’s no saving face here.
Alec walks is all that matters tho!
Remember that guy that did epstein settlement in FL? His career went pretty well until he got caught with bunker removed nomination and it came out that he knew the facts and still settled.
Very likely that the armorer will have her conviction overturned because of the same errors.
I still think she fucked up, I am not going to change my mind on technically for either of them tho.
Him being “an owner” and creating a culture where it happened in my opinion needs to be called out. This whole blame the intern bullshit is getting tiring.
Owner is always “dindu nuffin mate” tho
At the end of the day we sill have a dead person and state resources wasted, just losing all around.
In the article it mentions how the evidence came to light after her conviction. I don’t know if that means her appeal changes because of this, but it seems to me like this evidence only affected Baldwin’s case and how the prosecution handled it.
Expensive lawyers are better about using slip ups to get their clients free, but that doesn’t mean that the only difference between the two was money.
It’s just baffling that even “fake guns” are so dangerous.
They’re not fake guns; they’re real guns with what was supposed to be fake ammo. Because the gun in question was a revolver, the ammo must also look real since you can see the tips of the bullets in the cylinder. Typically, there’s a hole in the side of the casing indicating that it’s a dummy round, but you can no longer see that once it’s been loaded into the gun.
Because the gun in question was a revolver, the ammo must also look real
I have seen so much bad science, like basic physics mistakes, in movies that that’s not really true. The average movie goer isn’t going to know what the difference between a fake and real revolver by sight.
Americans may not know our basic physics, but we know our guns you know.
That’s not the point. If you’re swinging around a semi-automatic pistol with an empty magazine, nobody will know. However, with a revolver, you need to load it with real-looking bullets for close-up shots. Of course, at a distance, you can use lesser-quality prop guns.
Or you can create, from scratch, purpose built guns with the same spec, but are made of materials(like aluminum) that the holder will know is fake from the moment they pick it up. For larger pieces, you could include a co2 mechanism to recreate recoil and include an LED to light up with a trigger pull for sfx people to use as a reference. Pretty sure some of these things already exist.
And quite frankly, the audience doesn’t deserve a perfect recreation if it means putting people in harms way. There’s a thing call Suspension of Disbelief that seems to be in short supply these days. Never bring the CinemaSins guy to a traditional Japanese theater. The Kuroko stagehands would give him an hearth attack.
There was a Jason Statham movie, The Mechanic, I think that had some ‘cool guy target practice in the woods moment’ and they were blasting off rounds and did a cool slo-mo so you could clearly see that they were firing crimped blanks. I’m sure next to no one noticed.
Even less so in Dear John when Channing Tatum’s M4 turns into an M249 so you can see the links of the belt flying out when he shoots at someone.
Point being, don’t leave town to dodge safety regulations and be surprised when unsafety happens.
Your comment baffles me further more. I just can’t believe your gun “culture”.
Whether or not you believe what you’re calling “gun culture,” the fact that the gun in question is a revolver is one of the most relevant facts of the case.
A semi-automatic pistol, which is to say a
single-handfirearm that is meant to be fired without being steadied against the user’s body where the ammunition is fed up the handle into to back of the barrel after each shot, until the magazine is exhausted, will not load the next round if you fire a blank. It relies on there being a bullet in the barrel to contain pressure long enough to push a mechanism that pops out the old bullet case and slides the next round into the chamber. In order for a semi-auto to use blanks, you have to modify it in such a way that you can no long fire live ammunition without destroying the gun.Revolvers do not need such modification. Revolvers have a cylinder with boreholes running through it that form the chambers for the rounds. Pulling the trigger or cocking the hammer rotates the cylinder to the chamber, no pressure from the last round needed. This means that idiots on film sets can grab a revolver intended as a prop, put real live ammo in and target shoot in between takes and eventually mix up live and dummy ammo, causing people to be killed.
This means that idiots on film sets can grab a revolver intended as a prop, put real live ammo in and target shoot in between takes and eventually mix up live and dummy ammo, causing people to be killed.
I thought they were arguing that the gun that was supposed to come with fake ammo actually came with real ammo? To me it sounds like the gun supplier should be held liable?
The person who supplied the gun, the armorer, was held responsible. It was her job to make sure the guns were kept safe and she failed. She was found guilty already. Baldwin was on trial because statements he made to police regarding the incident were found to be inconsistent with the facts found through investigation, which were concerning enough to warrant a trial. The prosecution then fucked up so hard he can’t be retried.
I meant I thought the prop supplier should be held liable, since the article I read about it previously, had said that a box of ammo came from the prop supplier, Seth Kenney, and that it matched the ammo that was used that killed Hutchins, and that’s why I was thinking the prop supplier should be held liable.
That was my understanding of it anyway.
If that’s the case I agree. Bringing live ammo onto a movie set is a huge no-no, and if it was his round that killed the AD he certainly bears some responsibility.
My gun culture? What’s so baffling about it?
It is not about you, specifically. One people do not make a culture. But see, what I find baffling is that real guns are taken into movie sets, when they repeatedly have been used to kill cast and crew members since decades ago, and it is still not prohibited. School shootings, attempted assassination of presidential candidates, Wal-Mart shootings with guns sold in place, bar massacres, etc. they all come from this gun culture.
Take a look at user Thorny_Insight higly upvoted comment. While I guess I should be appreciative of its informative content, I just find violent that, without any warning, they link to a photograph of a loaded revolver pointing at the viewer’s face without realizing that is probably kind of fucked up. That’s what baffles me, like, no fucking kidding those guns are real?! A man was killed. Then they show me a photograph of a loaded revolver pointing at my face to demonstrate how real real guns look like. I hope you see my point.
I was going to say there’s no way those fake rubber guns or toy guns can be dangerous but then I remembered a police officer could shoot someone especially in america
There’s still the possibility of a civil case. You can’t put him jail but you can put him into bankruptcy.
I heard Rudy Giuliani is looking for work.
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On a movie set where everything is fake and you have an on-set armorer whose job it is to make sure everything is, indeed, safe, it’s a little bit different.
There’s no expectation that a gun on a movie set would be real and firing real bullets.
I keep trying to explain that to people too. The whole point of having an on-set armorer is so the actor can stay in their headspace and not have to worry about checking to see if a gun is loaded with live ammo when their character is supposed to assume it is.
At a range, sure. At home, sure. On the street, sure.
On a movie set, with someone who’s entire job it is to make sure this shit doesn’t happen handing it to you? No
The friction is that Alec is not just an actor on that set, he’s also a producer so he has extra responsibilities.
But in that case, the cops and prosecutors fucked up and the judge has taken the right course of action as prescribed by the courts.
Producers should have zero input on this. “I put money into this film. I insist on being allowed to play with every firearm on set” is patently stupid.
Their responsibilities begin and end with ensuring that people have been hired to be responsible for that. They did. Those people were (in my opinion) criminally negligent. But (if memory serves) the AD almost immediately turned and begged for a deal and the armorer makes the average gravy seal look intelligent. Which, like most of these tragic and pointless deaths, speaks more toward industry wide accreditation and vetting processes.
Because, again, just because someone has money doesn’t mean they understand gun safety. And the last thing we want is someone who played Call of Duty while getting a blowie last night insisting they know better.
I think the only nuance I would make is that the investigation should determine if Alec Baldwin, the producer, did his due diligence with the responsibilities that he has on set.
I did not follow the trial, so I don’t know what has been done in this case.
The friction is that Alec is not just an actor on that set, he’s also a producer so he has extra responsibilities.
This is true, but I don’t think it’s a producer’s responsibility to check if a gun is loaded with real ammo or not.
No, but there is a point to be debated that if you hire an incompetent person that kills someone on your set, you could face consequences.
But yes, I agree with you, this isn’t the producer’s job to check if a gun is loaded with real ammo or not.
Ok, so you’re an actor. You pick up the gun, you see bullets in it. You were trained that these are dummy rounds. You are operating in a professional environment where you were trained to expect what you have found.
What do you do?
Ok say you object, ask for a review. They review it. You pick up the gun, you see bullets in it. Now what do you do?
Dozens of actors starve while trapped in loops exactly like this every year, yet we never hear about those tragic deaths. :(
I write a comment you generally agree with, and reply in a timely manner.
What do you do?
Half cock the pistol swing open the load gate and spin the cylinder 6 times. If you see a primer then you stop and ask a question. This isn’t a 30-minute project, it takes 30 secs. Dummy rounds don’t have primers, they even drill them so that it is obvious. 30-sec check.
All guns are loaded until you verify that they are not.
They have rounds with primers and bullets but no powder for close up shots. So even checking isn’t 100%. That’s why the armorer is the one who fucked up. Now maybe Baldwin may have played a role by cutting corners in production, but he’s officially off the hook for that now so…
You see what you see. They verify, as a professional, that you are good.
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The actor that played gimli is over 6 foot tall. There’s never been a 200 foot tall lizard attacking Tokyo. You can shoot a movie with guns safely without violating the most basic safety rules.
If you hire roofers, tell them to fuck off when they give you a safety orientation, and you’ve already seen them drop two hammers off the roof, can you really say it’s not your fault when you get clobbered?
Other actors seem to do it just fine enough.
Would you not expect someone driving a semi truck on a movie set to know how to drive safely even if the production is paying some dude to be an “Automobile Safety Coordinator”?
And there’s no need for ad hominems.
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Removing my post doesn’t make it less true and is just censorship at its finest. You check every gun every time no excuses.
I mean if Rittenhouse can drive over state lines to counter a protest ,kill 3 people, claim self defense, and be found innocent, than certainly a man cutting corners by trying to save money on a film he’s producing, staring in, and directing certainly can have his case dismissed with prejudice because of willful mishandling of evidence by the police and gross misconduct of the prosecutor.
Plus Trump is a King, so…
Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer dismissed the case with prejudice based on the misconduct of police and prosecutors over the withholding of evidence from the defense in the shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the film “Rust.”
“Grr I am so angry the police withheld evidence so you weren’t able to be properly charged that I’m going to make sure no one can ever charge you for it again this effectively ensuring the police and prosecutors won”
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Why would they want to play by the rules when they got a rich white man out of trouble?
This is the result cops wanted.
Yes, cops are big fans of the famously left-wing Alec Baldwin.
(Northern) New Mexico is a fairly left leaning state that increasingly gets a lot of money from the film industry and a shocking number of celebrities live out near Santa Fe. Considering the long history of tragic and pointless deaths due to poor safety practices on film sets, there is a very strong incentive to not prosecute these crimes.
But that would be the DA and prosecution, not the cops. Who are, like all cops, right wing dipshit bastards. And New Mexico has increasingly had conflicts between the government and the police with cops openly refusing to enforce laws they don’t like.
So yeah. Kind of a shitshow all around. But for anyone to think the cops are going to bat for Alec Baldwin? Holy shit.
Which is why I’m surprised it seems like multiple people in the comments here seem to want him charged, unless I’m mistaken lol
I guess, unlike cops, they don’t base their sense of justice on where or not they agree with someone’s politics.
Really because it seemed to me the cops wanted him locked up.
If the cops and prosecutors really didn’t want him to be charged, they could have just, you know, not charged him
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I’m angry that the legal system is a pathetic joke.
Is it a joke because it’s dumb, or because you don’t understand it?
This is the real answer. ‘This is stupid, because I don’t understand’ seems to be a common theme with people around the world.
How well do you think you understand said joke?
You can’t fight racism by being racist.
Ew.
The state should not be able to keep charging someone till they get it right. Thats the principal behind this dismissal. If the state can keep coming back to charge you we might as well be the Soviet Union.
