You can come up with the details on the kind of collapse.
World collapses and all maps of New Zealand are destroyed. Everyone forgets we exist. We continue to grow food and live and all our technology eventually fails.
Maybe lots of people will die in nz but not me I’ll survive because it’s my fantasy.
Genuinely thought this had happened when I was there last and the air raid sirens woke me up in the middle of the night - the noise every 80s child had drilled into them as the herald of the Soviet ICBMs - but at least I was as far from civilisation as you could hope to be in the situation.
Turned out they just use them to wake up the volunteer fire brigade, and it was nothing to do with the Middle East kicking off WW3.
A few years back my dad sent me a video of sirens going off at 3am and it was a tsunami warning. My dad in his infinite wisdom wanders down to the beach to see if there’s any big waves
World collapses and all maps of New Zealand are destroyed.
That made perfect sense to me for a moment because I’ve read several times now that NZ seems to be the preferred location for global billionaires to build their ultimate survival bunkers when collapse happens.
Plus, I imagine they’d want people topside to hang on there reasonably well for several reasons, such as a labor pool, genetics pool, testing pool, and possibly to grow some food on the surface.
A confederation of autonomous zones run horizontally under anarchist principles, a la Rojava, the Makhnovshchina, Catalonia, etc etc. Presumably for many types of collapse, there’d be a gradual period where the government just cuts off services to increasingly populated areas and abandons them. Autonomous zones like these could spring up to fill the void, and eventually be better than what they’re replacing.
Wait, off topic, does posting a anti commercial license to a comment made on someone else’s network and platform and storage actually provide you durable rights related to the usage of your comment content?
Could that ever be defended if the network maintainers don’t themselves support and agree to that?
Probably not lol. Seems to me more along the lines of those folks copy/pasting the whole “I hereby claim that nothing on my Facebook can be used without my permission” on Facebook.
I thought the same.
For facebook and big corporations, you usually agree to the ToS/EULA before you actively using their services. The clause there usually protects their ass by stating you give them the license to basically do whatever the fuck they want. Sometimes even giving up the copyright entirely, like some CLA when contributing to open source projects.
But lemmy, as far as I remember, don’t have such term. So it is an interesting question since if the instance doesn’t impose a legal requirement for you to give the instance a license to do anything besides storing and serving it verbatim (like many other user-content sites. deviantart comes to mind since the user can license their image iirc). And yes, words or a string of words can be copyrighted and licensed because we do have protection for books and other text material.
They’re mislabeling the license too. CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 has nothing to do with “anti-commercial-AI.” It provides some terms for using content and, in theory if OP is willing to take someone to court, should provide some basis if the license is being abused. Until there’s actual precedence, though, it’s debatable whether or not sucking up CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 content is a breach of the license. For it to actually matter, someone needs to demonstrably prove 1) CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 content was sucked up by AI, 2) it was their content and it was licensed at the time, 3) the terms of the license were violated, and 4) other legal shit that will pop up during the course of the litigation. “Someone” has to be someone with deep fucking pockets willing to go the distance in many international jurisdictions.
I wouldn’t dare call it mislabelling since there is no precedent yet. Just the other day a judge ruled AI generated CSAM is still CSAM. If it can be proven beyond a doubt that an AI output comes from copyrighted works without proper license, will that AI violate the copyright? Also, will AI count as derivatives work from the training material or will it be treated like software compiler? I think a lot of our current legal framework is not up to speed to answer those questions. So I would not call it useless nor misleading.
Also, lemmy doesn’t have EULA as far as I am aware of so the license of the content hosted on the instance is by default unlicensed. The user just notifies that to whoever wants to use their comment for whatever purpose, must abide by those licenses.
Calling a license by anything other than its name and stated purpose is something I’d dare to call mislabeling. If CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 decides to add “anti-commercial-AI” then and only then is it not mislabeling. That’s like me calling the US copyrights of the books sitting next to me “anti-bitfucker” licenses. They have nothing to do with you at this point in time so it is misleading for me to claim otherwise.
While you are correct that lemmy itself does not add a license and many instances do not add a license, it’s not as simple as “the user notifies [you] must abides by [their] licenses.” Jurisdiction matters. The Fediverse host content is pulled from matters. Other myriad factors matter. As you correctly pointed out, there is no precedence for any of this so as I pointed out unless you’re willing to go to court and can prove damages it is actually useless.
Calling a license by anything other than its name and stated purpose is something I’d dare to call mislabeling.
Fair point. The explanation itself has to be detached from the license to make it clear. So for example, if I state that my comment here is CC BY-NC-SA 4.0, it only states the license, WHY I licensed it as such is the explanation and not the label for the license. So yeah, without context (the why), it is mislabeling.
While you are correct that lemmy itself does not add a license and many instances do not add a license, it’s not as simple as “the user notifies [you] must abides by [their] licenses.” Jurisdiction matters. The Fediverse host content is pulled from matters. Other myriad factors matter.
But that is true for all content on the internet no? The difference is this time we are talking about a user-generated content without explicit license, now has an explicit license.
As you correctly pointed out, there is no precedence for any of this so as I pointed out unless you’re willing to go to court and can prove damages it is actually useless.
I wouldn’t call it useless tho. After all, we will only push the legal framework because people are doing something wack.
That’s fair. I don’t disagree with licensing comments necessarily. I think users doing it to provide the basis for a legal argument is fine. I think my pushback comes from my lack of trust in any of these users actually acting on their license which could be construed as victim-shaming. I’m hung up on the follow-through which careful analysis like yours really highlights.
Idk, but does it matter? it’s just a link.
Well, it propagates an illusion of legal mandate which is unrealistic, bordering on misinformation.
It also adds clutter and noise to a public space, making it more irritating to scroll through comments. It’s like someone having a private conversation on speaker phone while you’re waiting in line at a Starbucks or whatever.
I feel like a better analogy is someone who signs their text messages which is a more recent problem than people with obnoxiously long forum signatures.
Good point, that’s much more apt
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As a programmer, I’m very aware that my best hope is to heavily arm myself and spend my time defending someone who knows something about computer networking while they work to rebuild.
Yo, what you need Cisco, FortiNet, Aruba, Ubiquity, Extreme Networks?
Humans go extinct; orangutans evolve to become the chillest high intelligence in the history of the universe.
Best case scenario would be it results in less greenhouse gasses being released and some semblence of general ecological balance able to return.
Though, I’d imagine there will be unattended nuclear reactors that melt down and poison regions or w/e. So I’ll qualify that first bit by “…and also I live upwind/upriver of any nuclear catastrophe.”
Basically high tech elves. Having passed through a self imposed disaster, humanity faces it’s destructive greed and overcomes it, achieving a profound integration with nature, while retaining the technical knowledge of the past. The new culture is stable and long lasting, and heals the blighted areas of the planet. The ecosystem becomes more resilient and more abundant than ever before.
Diaspora by Greg Egan has high tech elf humans. It was cool.
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I feel like the most likely sort of collapse would be a Roman empire style collapse where it takes centuries to reach completion and we see a period of increased governmental instability/local authoritarianism for a little bit. The most likely cause would be some sort of climate disaster. It probably wouldn’t happen everywhere either, the Byzantine empire lasted well into the middle ages, after all, going on the Rome metaphor. The best strategy would be to move somewhere less effected by the collapse with a hospitable enough climate to support local food production, and enough resources to ensure long-term maintenance of infrastructure. The Great Lakes area of the US/Canada fits this pretty well
Ok, but what is your best case scenario of what you think comes after a collapse?
Best case? People cooperate with each other to share labor/resources in a way that eventually gives rise to a more democratic, non-capitalist economy. Basically star trek without the (probably) impossible technology or the aliens.
You know that part in 12 monkeys where plant life has overgrown all the buildings and animals are free to roam our cities? That one.
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the sweet release of death.
Hold your empty disemboweled gas tanks up high
Turn them into a bong or a still
Rootin’ through the gas stations
Tilling up our backyards
That’s my rosy picture of the End Times, my friend- from “Floodwaters” by Defiance, Ohio, though the song doesn’t stay rosy for long
I’d estimate that 90%+ of us would be dead in a matter of months if not weeks.
Consider the significant lack of food available. Think about how much food the average person has in their house. Probably a week, maybe two. Perhaps a month if you’re wise and start rationing immediately. But most won’t. Most people would be in denial at the start and assume someone or something would rescue us.
Now consider how much food there is available at your local grocery store. And how many people that store could feed. Compare that to the population of the geographic area that store supports and you’ll see that for the most part we would be out of food in a matter of months.
Sure we could scavenge and perhaps hunt small game, but that’s limited and not something most people could do. But to get to a point where we’re actually able to do some level of substance farming, that could take up to a year to complete depending on the season society collapses. Before we get there most of us would have staved to death. Probably too many would die and there wouldn’t be enough labour to work the farms either.
And that’s just considering food. There’s still the issue of clean potable water, and infections or other health issues that turn deadly quickly without modern medical intervention.
And these issues are all compounded if you live in a high density urban environment. Which many do.
TLDR: if society collapses, it might be wise to just bow out before things get really bad.
Ever read Parable of the Sower? Yeah, that.
