First, the whole notion of a takeover is a straw man. Second, exposing people to effective means of organizing and having an actual theory of change would be the real value. If it just ends up being a place where people moan about their jobs being awful and telling each other that they just need a better job, all it does is perpetuate the status quo.
Meanwhile, the same people who are claiming that MLs are being pushy are perfectly fine collaborating with nazis social democrats, and liberals. It’s quite telling that only MLs who are seen as a problem since they’re the only group that actually provides a way out.
This type of argument is precisely the sectarianism I’m talking about. Anarchists single out a particular group of leftists and say that they can’t participate. If people are behaving poorly, then moderators should deal with that on case by case basis as is done on plenty of other big subreddits. If somebody starts mansplaining then they can be deal with, and it certainly shouldn’t be restricted to MLs. Moderators siding with right wingers and liberals against other leftists just turns the whole thing into opportunism.
It’s also utterly false that social democrats and right wing trolls are not brigading. They absolutely are, but I guess anarchists see them as kindred spirits.
You still have not demonstrated the case that there is any brigading happening. You just keep repeating that over and over. I guess you’ve learned that tactic from your comrades on the right.
showing people that there are a lot of other like-minded ones and that they can “stick it to the man” if they have sufficient numbers.
There’s already a scientific method for doing this that hundreds of millions of people in the global south have used to materially benefit their lives, it’s called Marxism-Leninism
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First, the whole notion of a takeover is a straw man. Second, exposing people to effective means of organizing and having an actual theory of change would be the real value. If it just ends up being a place where people moan about their jobs being awful and telling each other that they just need a better job, all it does is perpetuate the status quo.
Meanwhile, the same people who are claiming that MLs are being pushy are perfectly fine collaborating with nazis social democrats, and liberals. It’s quite telling that only MLs who are seen as a problem since they’re the only group that actually provides a way out.
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This type of argument is precisely the sectarianism I’m talking about. Anarchists single out a particular group of leftists and say that they can’t participate. If people are behaving poorly, then moderators should deal with that on case by case basis as is done on plenty of other big subreddits. If somebody starts mansplaining then they can be deal with, and it certainly shouldn’t be restricted to MLs. Moderators siding with right wingers and liberals against other leftists just turns the whole thing into opportunism.
It’s also utterly false that social democrats and right wing trolls are not brigading. They absolutely are, but I guess anarchists see them as kindred spirits.
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You still have not demonstrated the case that there is any brigading happening. You just keep repeating that over and over. I guess you’ve learned that tactic from your comrades on the right.
There’s already a scientific method for doing this that hundreds of millions of people in the global south have used to materially benefit their lives, it’s called Marxism-Leninism
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I think these discussions are important to have though
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but yeah, it would be better to have them in a more constructive fashion