I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

  • OverfedRaccoon 🦝@lemmy.worldEnglish
    57·
    2 years ago

    Spez is doubling down. He’s shown his hand. He’s lied. It’s like watching Anakin’s descent to the dark side. He’s too far gone.

    I don’t really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There’s no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it’s a matter of principle at this point.

    I might check in on certain niche subs that don’t move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.

  • Grant@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    2 years ago

    Fuck spez. Even if they reversed their decision, they have made it very clear how much they will take control if they don’t get their way. They have repeatedly mistreated the mods, devs, and community. They slandered a man with lies that could end his career because of why? To gain social points?

    Spez has shown what reddit really is and I am done

    • 640kbEnglish
      9·
      2 years ago

      My sentiments exactly. I wonder what it’s like for the reddit staff to work with such a gaslighting, condescending and deceitful boss.

      We owe the Apollo dev a lot for shining a bright light at the leadership of reddit and specifically /u/spez.

    • CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      I never even used Apollo (I’m on Android) and that BS with Christian left a godawful taste in my mouth. Can’t support reddit after that, much less after all the other news came out.

      Spez should really have just shut his mouth.

  • unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    20·
    2 years ago

    No. This latest monetization grab has exposed a lot of wrongs with Reddit and the way that its employees and owners think. It fundamentally makes us question how the modern web was taken from the people.

    If anything, the past two weeks of Lemmy proves that individual and community ownership of the Internet is not completely dead. It doesn’t have to be the same four or five companies owning everything on the Internet. There is a better way.

    I think Reddit is permanently harmed. The numbers of comments on posts have dropped in every sub. People will be wary of posting quality content there anymore because it’s going to be owned by, and monetized by Reddit. Nobody wants to provide free labor for someone else to copyright and make millions. The quality posters are gone, back to their specialty forums or chat groups. The people who stayed behind are the low hanging fruit and probably not worth discussing anything with.

    This was Reddits Slashdot moment.

    • _pete_@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      2 years ago

      The annoying this is that it didn’t need to go down like this!

      • If they had announced fairer pricing it wouldn’t be a problem
      • If they had announced more than 30 days notice it would have been less of a problem
      • If they had announced that you needed Reddit premium to use the API it would have made them more money and not be a problem!
      • If the AMA wasn’t a train wreck and they had at least given some concessions then it wouldn’t have been a problem.

      This entire thing was bungled from conception to announcement to execution, if they had worked with the third party app devs, if they had communicated clearly, if that hadn’t come off as money grabbing, personal data selling ass holes then none of this would have been a problem.

      As it is though, they can just get fucked.

    • Sparking@lemm.eeEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      What did slashdot do wrong? I wasn’t up on the lore, I just thought they decided to be a bit more moderated, which even though I would want to participate in a place that is a little more open to broader content, I can respect the decision.

      • unix_joe@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        It was another attempt at monetizing a website about 10 years ago. Slashdot got bought out by a company that was one of the online job hunting firms. And then the site was redesigned with more ads on it, sponsored articles, so the original owners cashed out, and the new ownership tried to use the Slashdot branding on various different types of media. They tried to monetize the user base, not realizing that the user base was Slashdot and not the other way around.

        Slashdot community forked the site a few different places since the original Slashcode was FOSS. Many left and went to Reddit; and in about two years the new owners divested the Slashdot branding. Slashdot was effectively dead, and if you go back now, the comments on articles are in the dozens and not thousands like it was before the takeover.

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
    19·
    2 years ago

    Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.

    I’m not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i’m hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i’m done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn’t burned that bridge, but I’m not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.

    I’m old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all… Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.

    • bobs_monkey@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      I remember the Voat semi-exodus, but as I recall that was all the communities that got banned. Voat turned into a cesspool real quick

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        That was a big part of why they failed, yea.

        Federating seems like an excellent way of keeping the incels out, hopefully we don’t end up going that way

        • bobs_monkey@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          That’s what I was thinking, though I’m curious to see what tools instance admins have at their disposal

          • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            The fact that instances can limit the number of new users and de-federate with subs with lax rules helps a lot. Beehaw just did that themselves.

            I’d also point out that this exodus isn’t related with the banning of toxic communities from the platform, so I wouldn’t expect as many controversial new users to be flocking here as back then. We’ll see I guess.

    • t_378@lemmy.oneEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      I’m not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i’m hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i’m done with these for-profit social media sites.

      What I’m hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren’t at all concerned with Reddits’s business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it’s own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.

      I guess what I’m saying is, even if Lemmy doesn’t beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it’s own way.

    • weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      2 years ago

      Mastodon managed to become a viable alternative to Twitter, and even PeerTube found some semblance of success. I am condifent Lemmy will be able to do the same. I hope PixelFed since the last time I’ve checked as well.

  • LvxferreEnglish
    19·
    2 years ago

    Hell no.

    My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.

  • oehmEnglish
    18·
    2 years ago

    I was on Reddit 15 years and recently have been considering getting off the platform for other various reasons. All of the recent developments were just the final thing to push me to actually leave.

    • KoboldCoterie@pawb.socialEnglish
      7·
      2 years ago

      This was me, too. I was actively looking for alternatives already, this whole debacle just provided enough of a community on those alternatives for it to feel like a worthy time to switch. There’s nothing that will get me to go back at this point.

    • v_krishnaEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Same, but 14 years. Had followed mastodon some and read up on activity pub, but meanwhile I never used Twitter and liked how reddit reminded me of forums and bbs/usenet/email listservs before that.

      I definitely see how lemmy is rough around the edges, and I’m sure that will cause issues with any sort of mass long term reddit exodus, but personally I’m loving the experience, the dev community, the underlying philosophy, etc. & at least for the communities I’ve been following that decently high barrier to entry has uplifted most of the discussion (albeit while kneecapping niche or local or whatever discussion entirely because there isn’t a community for it)

  • Shambling Shapes@lemmy.oneEnglish
    18·
    2 years ago

    I’m done. I moderated a very small, niche hobby sub for a bit over three years. The size and niche-ness kept it fairly well insulated from the worst online behaviors, but it’s been shifting this year. I have been seeing more and more users posting to the sub for the first time, simply pushing their content creator/influencer material on Insta and Youtube. Their posts are only vaguely related to the sub topic, and they never stick around to have meaningful conversations in the comments of their posts. When they violate the sub rules, I have a policy of warning once and removing only if they don’t respond within 24 hours. But even with a 24 hour warning, people get NASTY.

    I modded the community for the benefit of others. With the shift in sub demographics and reddit sweeping my legs out from under me in terms of mod tools that allow me to keep control of the sub, I’m done. I can’t keep it shaped into the community the original members want. They’re frustrated. I’m frustrated. It’s no longer fun or fulfilling. Someone who wants to keep the sub aligned with the wants of the new content creator/influencer demographics are welcome to it. Personally, I think a sub of people advertising their channels elsewhere is worthless.

      • Shambling Shapes@lemmy.oneEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Thanks. I found half a dozen communities across a few instances that are already pretty close in topic. For now, I’ll be joining as a normal user and just posting and commenting.

        I’ve been thinking a lot about why I agreed to mod on reddit and how my views on it have changed. We’ll see, maybe I do something like that again someday in the future, but for now I’m ok being a normal community member.

  • Unattributed@midwest.socialEnglish
    15·
    2 years ago

    Most responses I’ve seen have centered on spez’s actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

    Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren’t aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

    Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron’s legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

        • Beto@lemmy.studio
          1·
          2 years ago

          Sure! It’s this one: https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/

          My rules are here (you can save them as a .json file an import in the extension):

          {
    "createdBy": "Redirector v3.5.3",
    "createdAt": "2023-06-20T20:58:57.278Z",
    "redirects": [
        {
            "description": "Bye, Reddit",
            "exampleUrl": "https://www.reddit.com/",
            "exampleResult": "https://lemmy.studio",
            "error": null,
            "includePattern": "https://*.reddit.com/*",
            "excludePattern": "",
            "patternDesc": "",
            "redirectUrl": "https://lemmy.studio",
            "patternType": "W",
            "processMatches": "noProcessing",
            "disabled": false,
            "grouped": false,
            "appliesTo": [
                "main_frame"
            ]
        },
        {
            "description": "Bye, Twitter",
            "exampleUrl": "https://twitter.com/",
            "exampleResult": "https://2c.taoetc.org/",
            "error": null,
            "includePattern": "https://twitter.com/*",
            "excludePattern": "",
            "patternDesc": "",
            "redirectUrl": "https://2c.taoetc.org/",
            "patternType": "W",
            "processMatches": "noProcessing",
            "disabled": false,
            "grouped": false,
            "appliesTo": [
                "main_frame"
            ]
        }
    ]
}
    • xffxe4@lemmy.oneEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      I accidentally changed a setting on my phone that blocks Reddit everywhere. Not going to bother figuring out what I did or how to fix it.

  • nectroxt@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    14·
    2 years ago

    I think reddit model should be as a non profit org., something like wikipedia. No ads, no selling or trying to monetize user data, or being hostage to its investors whims. That would require a complete change of management. Only then I would think about going back.

  • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
    14·
    2 years ago

    No

    There’s more to this than the direct changes to their platform:

    • not communicating with mods and users
    • being deadset about a really bad feature
    • doubling down on killing third party development
    • being a real dick about controversies
    • not valuing users for their content
    • not valuing volunteer moderators
    • going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation

    There’s some things you can’t rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it’s time to see other people.

  • 24Vindustrialdildo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    151·
    2 years ago

    Nope. It’s far too US-centric, both in content and cultural norms enforced by censorship. What’s really great about the fediverse is to be able to find not just niche content about “the outside world” but communities literally run under different cultural norms.

  • Chronic_Intermission@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    2 years ago

    I don’t plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It’s a rat race on Reddit, and I don’t need that in my life anymore.

  • megane-kun@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    2 years ago

    No.

    Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.

    Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they’re getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features… I still won’t consider going back to them.

    They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they’re at all capable of doing things in good faith.