@IsThisLemmyOpen Reddit is not dead, yet.
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Neither is Digg. Or myspace. Or many of dozens of services that used to be popular and fell into irrelevance.
Lemmy is irrelevant compared to Reddit. Completely and utterly. There’s what, a single medium-sized subreddit over all instances here?
Being in its infancy doesn’t make it irrelevant.
The three words he typed after irrelevant were kinda important to his point.
And they were implied in my own, but I’m happy to extend my statement for you: Being in its infancy doesn’t make it irrelevant compared to Reddit. In fact, that line of thinking from Reddit’s leadership will lead them to obscurity more quickly than if they take this seriously. Just existing as a viable alternative is a big deal. We haven’t had one for a very long time.
But Reddit is hardly irrelevant. they are still MASSIVE compared to those examples
@thiccdiccnicc Digg, myspace and heck ebaumsworld were all places that eventually started dying at some point. I just deleted my 3rd party app for Reddit to prevent my autopilot from clicking on the icon. If someone like me is done with Reddit, I imagine there’s many that feel the same way. In fact, even if spez stepped down, I don’t think I’d return to a centralized platform anymore.
Perhaps it is dying, it’s still to early to know yet. We’ve sung the song about Facebook dying for ages and here it is, still dominating by numbers. Lemmy and federation in general has some work to be done (which I am actually putting effort into!) in order to adsorb the userbase of a tech behemoth like Reddit.
Are we making great process? Yes! But to start saying “dies like Reddit did” or an equivalent superficial statement is putting the cart before the horse, no?
YouTube won’t die anytime soon because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive if you’re not a big company. So there’s no good alternatives. PeerTube Instances couldn’t handle the massive data that YouTube can
because running a Video Streaming Platform is way too expensive
Youtube CAN die, even without an alternative. But I understood what you meant
Reddit isnt dead yet, and it will be much harder for youtube to die. Kinda hard to make creators move when its their job, and without them moving, there is no chance of any progress occuring.
Right now, the best thing they can do is host their content on youtube AND other alternatives like Odyssey. This lets them make the same money they always had, but also gives people an option to watch it somewhere else. Unfortuately, your average youtuber is completely clueless about this option and so you mainly only see tech people doing it with only a few exceptions here and there.
I don’t think anything will ever replace YouTube. Did you ever wonder why there aren’t many good alternatives?
It’s because video streaming websites are very expensive and usually run at a loss. The storage and bandwidth to support all these users constantly uploading and watching videos is really high. It’s why the Twitch competitor Mixer shut down a few years ago, it was bleeding money.
I use an adblocker and hate ads as much as the next person but imo prople do take these video services for granted. They need ads to survive and I can’t imagine a world where I’d need to pay a subscription to use them.
The question is, what adblockers? It’s very rare that I encounter an adblocker-blocker that doesn’t only work against AdBlock but also against uBo.
Yeah that sure is obnoxious, but it’ll just become a new cat and mouse game.
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Even then peer to peer isn’t a good solution for me because I have limited upload/download where I live.
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Reddit is far from dead. Most of the subs I care about are back.
Yes, but how long that will remain the case after the mods lose access to their 3rd party tools - will be what dictates it’s future
Probably quite a long time. People here keep massively overestimating how much people care about these details.
Can anyone eli5 why pornhub doesn’t just use their long standing streaming infrastructure to create a sfw site like… Idk “VidHub”? I feel like they could be a genuine competition with very little adjustment.
Youtube is waaaay different from pornhub. The amount of people uploading porn doesnt even begin to approach the amount of people uploading sfw content.
You can feasibly make people pay for porn, especially if you get a hot girl to advertise the content to lonely men.
SFW content though? How do you convince someone to pay for a gaming VOD, or some other type of mundane content? Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it. Not without the backing of some SERIOUS money 😬
…or a hot guy to advertise the content to lonely men 😉
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Hosting sfw video is just not profitable on the scale that youtube does it
Youtube had $28.8b in revenue in 2021. While revenue isn’t profit, I can’t imagine it’s losing money with that much revenue. It’d be hard for someone else to duplicate it, but not impossible if they have a strong business plan from the start.
or Vimeo setting up a more ‘community’-oriented form of itself, with free uploads etc. Or Flickr going in for long-form video. Could something like that rival YT?
Reddit is dead?
Not sooner as someone figuring out a way for cheaper video hosting. I don’t think youtube is even profitable.
It’s in the same boat as Reddit is where it has gained a lot of goodwill by providing free content hosting for pretty much anyone, but because they’ve done that for so long it’s seen as having little value, so attempts to generate value from it are resented.
I’m a lot more sympathetic to YouTube than I am to Reddit though, to put it bluntly.
Youtube is one of the things that less techie people think of when it comes to internet videos. It’s quite mainstream and will stay for long.
Youtube has already become a verb much like google.
No one has solved a way to make hosting massive amounts of videos cheap, and this is unlikely to happen anytime soon due to the large amount of data storage and bandwidth required.
So no, even if YouTube somehow becomes even more tyrannical than it is it’s unlikely we’ll ever see it decentralized and federated the way Lemmy is in a usable way anytime soon.
Isn’t PeerTube solving that problem?
Has anybody done the math? How much would each YouTube user have to pay each month to pay for hosting those videos?
If we want an Internet that doesn’t suck, we need to get over the idea that everything has to be free (as in beer).
That basically just creates a hen and egg problem.
Who is going to pay? Every user? Every content creator? Both?
Let’s say just users pay to use the platform, this is already a massive hurdle but we’ll just go with it. If you personally have to pay you might get angry about “content creators” just spamming shitty videos that take up a ton of storage space (but maybe not that much bandwidth as nobody watches them yet). So to keep costs down suddenly uploads get moderated.
Now you’re choking user growth (as you have to pay money) and you’re choking content creation as you hinder the freedom of video creators.
YouTube does neither, it’s free for the average user (though with ads) and you can upload whatever you want. Their servers can handle it, but they also prioritize content. If a nobody uploads a video it gets put into cold storage on some lonely server in the middle of nowhere. If a video or content creator is more popular then their content is moved to more powerful servers and plenty of CDNs. That only works if you control the entire infrastructure, instead of having federated instances of random server admins.
Video hosting is a nightmare.
i think youtube is doing much better than reddit
Youtube is far too expensive for anyone to try and run a competitor to. I don’t think we’ll ever see a replacement.
Google is still losing money on it, and might never make it profitable. There’s a real risk that Youtube just dies on its own and nothing replaces it.
There were some blockchain based distributed video hosting experiments happening a year or so ago. Can’t remember the name of them at the moment. Might have been all hype no substance; but bittorrent still works, so maybe it’s doable.
Peer Tube could take off by us uploading to it and linking it from Lemmy
The only problem is YouTube has a way to monetize their videos, attracting creators who work to make money on the content. PeerTube doesn’t have that yet.
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Something like Patreon should work just as well with peertube if it’s otherwise suitable, right?
Never, the big name content creators will never boycott YouTube like Reddit mods for large subs did because YouTube pays them and no one takes alternatives seriously enough to even just mirror their content on an alternative. I’ve been trying to support YouTube alternatives as much as I can but I’m only one person, I’d be naive to think that I alone could make a difference.
