Some are quick to promote apps as being safe for your use just because they are encrypted. I will talk about how many of the popular apps that are commonly t...
Because “slightly less” is a subjective measure that’s relative to how pedantic we want to get.
Even XMPP is a “slightly less” bad option, in the sense that you are still targetable when using a sufficiently advanced method, and you are still not free of risk. Even hosting your own instance you give away the IP, if you don’t host it then you do have to trust the host to keep the metadata safe (and more metadata than Signal).
I thought we were talking about security and privacy in general, applied to messaging platforms. Specifically, comparing Telegram/Whatsapp with Signal.
If you want to talk exclusively about phone numbers then it’s obvious that if a messaging system doesn’t use phone numbers there’s no risk that metadata related to phone number is the one that’ll get leaked.
Whether you want to make them be “a completelly different league” based on that distinction alone is an arbitrary separation. By that logic XMPP would be in the same “league” as unencrypted email.
If Signal is in the same league as Telegram just because of phone number leaks (regardless of other protection), then email is in same league as XMPP because it doesn’t have those leaks (regardless of other protection).
Looks like you only care about other forms of protection when comparing the “league” that interests you.
Enjoy your own bias (and I don’t even use Signal xD).
Because “slightly less” is a subjective measure that’s relative to how pedantic we want to get.
Even XMPP is a “slightly less” bad option, in the sense that you are still targetable when using a sufficiently advanced method, and you are still not free of risk. Even hosting your own instance you give away the IP, if you don’t host it then you do have to trust the host to keep the metadata safe (and more metadata than Signal).
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I thought we were talking about security and privacy in general, applied to messaging platforms. Specifically, comparing Telegram/Whatsapp with Signal.
If you want to talk exclusively about phone numbers then it’s obvious that if a messaging system doesn’t use phone numbers there’s no risk that metadata related to phone number is the one that’ll get leaked.
Whether you want to make them be “a completelly different league” based on that distinction alone is an arbitrary separation. By that logic XMPP would be in the same “league” as unencrypted email.
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“So? We are talking about the risk of using your phone number as the public identifier.”
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According to your logic, they are the same. Otherwise, don’t compare Signal to Telegram/Whatsapp.
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Are you calling your own logic shit?
If Signal is in the same league as Telegram just because of phone number leaks (regardless of other protection), then email is in same league as XMPP because it doesn’t have those leaks (regardless of other protection).
Looks like you only care about other forms of protection when comparing the “league” that interests you.
Enjoy your own bias (and I don’t even use Signal xD).