I’m here to hear other people’s opinions, not judge them, even if I don’t agree with them. A lot of the things I’ve put in my own fantasy Constitution are ideas a lot of people don’t like. A lot of ideas you have are ones other people disagree with or would find authoritarian in their own way.
It just is what it is. It’s politics. In a hypothetical situation where Americans are finally free again, people would band together based on political ideology and likemindedness anyway, so talks like this are vitally important so we know who is compatible with us and who is not.
So tl;dr don’t sweat it. Have a friendly debate but don’t worry about it other than that.
@Sprite Trans people wear and need a lot of makeup. To, you know, feel like themselves. Not wearing makeup hurts their mental health. Have you ever thought about that?
@Sprite And besides, what even counts as “makeup”? A lot of things *you* do as a daily routine could be just as well considered “makeup”.
What is “illusion”? A lot of things you interact with on a daily basis is an “illusion”. “Illusions” and imagined constructs make up our whole society. They are our superpower as a species, you don’t want the world without them, just trust me.
I mean, if we’re supposed to debate the meanings of words we can look up in a dictionary, how could we do anything, let alone build a country? That’s the kind of sophistry some corporate lawyer would do.
A lot of things we don’t do because we can do them, but because we can’t not do them.
Given time and population, you’ll build some kind of country, whether you want it or not.
As for “meaning of words we can look up in a dictionary”… My dear, you haven’t worked with language long enough to see what I’ve seen. And let me tell you, dictionaries have more contradictions than any text you can dig up. And that’s completely normal. Because this is also what we can’t not do, because there’s a giant hole at the bottom of all definitions, because the world is an incomprehensible mess, and always will be.
Shit, we can even barely answer basic questions like “what the fuck the colour orange is?”
I do know a lot of trans people as well. And they DO want to alter their appearance to feel better. And they do exactly that. Who are you to tell them otherwise? I’m not trying to make “your” trans people to wear makeup, why should you ban makeup for the “mine”?
What’s weird is attempting to ban alteration of one’s appearance. This is overbearing, futile, and simply not reasonable.
For fuck’s sake, will you ban performance art like theatre and cinema as well?
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@Sprite @pinkdrunkenelephants Whoa, what an overbearing fuck.
I’m here to hear other people’s opinions, not judge them, even if I don’t agree with them. A lot of the things I’ve put in my own fantasy Constitution are ideas a lot of people don’t like. A lot of ideas you have are ones other people disagree with or would find authoritarian in their own way.
It just is what it is. It’s politics. In a hypothetical situation where Americans are finally free again, people would band together based on political ideology and likemindedness anyway, so talks like this are vitally important so we know who is compatible with us and who is not.
So tl;dr don’t sweat it. Have a friendly debate but don’t worry about it other than that.
@pinkdrunkenelephants I’m not an American, far from it, but this is too much, even for me, so I couldn’t help it, sorry.
It’s all good. I should’ve said something in the OP about it.
I live in a rural area, far from population centres and public transport. Why can’t I have a car?
If I may ask, why the focus on personal appearance?
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🤔 So like, what about trans people?
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@Sprite Trans people wear and need a lot of makeup. To, you know, feel like themselves. Not wearing makeup hurts their mental health. Have you ever thought about that?
@pinkdrunkenelephants
@Sprite And besides, what even counts as “makeup”? A lot of things *you* do as a daily routine could be just as well considered “makeup”.
What is “illusion”? A lot of things you interact with on a daily basis is an “illusion”. “Illusions” and imagined constructs make up our whole society. They are our superpower as a species, you don’t want the world without them, just trust me.
@pinkdrunkenelephants
I mean, if we’re supposed to debate the meanings of words we can look up in a dictionary, how could we do anything, let alone build a country? That’s the kind of sophistry some corporate lawyer would do.
@pinkdrunkenelephants Y’see…
A lot of things we don’t do because we can do them, but because we can’t not do them.
Given time and population, you’ll build some kind of country, whether you want it or not.
As for “meaning of words we can look up in a dictionary”… My dear, you haven’t worked with language long enough to see what I’ve seen. And let me tell you, dictionaries have more contradictions than any text you can dig up. And that’s completely normal. Because this is also what we can’t not do, because there’s a giant hole at the bottom of all definitions, because the world is an incomprehensible mess, and always will be.
Shit, we can even barely answer basic questions like “what the fuck the colour orange is?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX0xWJpr0FY
What we can do, is define words from context to context and hope to navigate those contradictions.
What matters in the end is, if we’re at all better of for the way we navigate, or worse. It’s the only thing that matters, really.
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@Sprite Foundation of what?
I do know a lot of trans people as well. And they DO want to alter their appearance to feel better. And they do exactly that. Who are you to tell them otherwise? I’m not trying to make “your” trans people to wear makeup, why should you ban makeup for the “mine”?
What’s weird is attempting to ban alteration of one’s appearance. This is overbearing, futile, and simply not reasonable.
For fuck’s sake, will you ban performance art like theatre and cinema as well?
That is not okay, you should not be given power.