For those of us, unfortunately, in the imperial core, what steps should we take to stop a US war with China over Taiwan? I’ve honestly been pretty scared since the war in Ukraine started knowing that China is next. We must avoid this at all costs to save the thousands of Chinese lives that will be sacrificed by the west in their bid to reestablish a unipolar world.

While I’m not discounting the achievements of the anti-war movement in support of Vietnam, the war still waged on for years. The same with Iraq. What should be done differently?

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    While the lives lost are nothing to quibble about. Let’s be real. China has the population demographics. They just simply have more people. It takes the combined populations of all of Europe plus the United States to come close to the population of China.

    If it ever comes to armed conflict, they will likely win due to sheer numbers. You should be more concerned about pointless Western deaths, of which there would be countless.

    I’m pretty sure the US is aware of this and not trying to start a war with them due to this. They’re also still a massive trade partner to the US. US doesn’t want to lose access to cheap microchip fabrication.

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      The US has been desperately trying to bring some chip fabs back to the US. I’d very much prefer to see Taiwan remain independent, but as soon as the US feels it is in a good position with chip fabrication they may suddenly change their stance on protecting Taiwan. Perhaps Xi will not live that long and mainland China can give up on Taiwan after that. He is only 70 years old so he likely won’t die of natural causes before then.

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        The US has been desperately trying to bring some chip fabs back to the US.

        For sure, but the thing is, they can’t fabricate them in the US for the price they can in China. They just literally can’t because US citizens with the credentials to work in such an environment expect way higher pay than the workers in China do.

        Phones have already become obscenely priced, but that price could double if we had to rely exclusively on US fabricated chips. While the US is trying I think you’d see an outright consumer revolt over the price increase.

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          Good points, but perhaps we will have to rip that bandaid off at some point. Modern phones have become a consumerist frenzy rather than any real neccesity. There are of course way more products than just phones that are more crucial. Still, maybe in 10 or so years the economy of scale will make it all viable and people’s expectations will match the reality of the situation.

          Or we could go to war with China. 😑

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      What’s the point of their recent visits then? Just a fuck you to China? The US is stupid, but I also believe they believe China is a real threat, especially militarily, so why do this if it’s no provocation?

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        If the U$ does nothing, they’re guaranteed to lose their hegemonic position as China gets better.

        If they goad China into a shooting war, they’re just about guaranteed to lose.

        If they goad China into a shooting war where it looks like China’s the bad guy, they’ll probably lose.

        If they can convince Taiwan to buy over priced military trash, they’ll put off the decline of the U$ for a little longer.