• krolden
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    Or when USA decides no more free war machines. I also wouldn’t call Russia’s actions imperialist as everything going on in eastern Europe the Russian response to NATO expansion.

    But I guess I’m just a liberal according to the tankies.

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      Or when USA decides no more free war machines.

      Thing is, from the US’s standpoint this is, to put it coldly, a great cost-benefit ratio. The cost to the US has been chump change, with much of the transferred equipment nearing end of life anyway. Meanwhile, European allies are fiercely determined to make this very painful for Russia so there isn’t a repeat performance.

      I also wouldn’t call Russia’s actions imperialist as everything going on in eastern Europe the Russian response to NATO expansion.

      If you buy the narrative about NATO expansion being equivalent to imperialism, sure. Or you could see it as a bunch of countries being afraid of Russia, so they joined NATO to gain protection. The narrative that NATO is going to attack Russia is simply wrong. It never has attacked Russia, and even with sending weapons to Ukraine it is supplying a nation purely with weapons against a foreign invader. Russia citizens could be immune from NATO supplied weapons tomorrow if Russia stopped the invasion.

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      Both can be true the same time. The Russian response is clearly imperialist because they consider eastern Europe to be part of their empire and thus fight against another empire trying to pull these now independent countries to their side. But that is IMHO no justification for invading another country, especially when these now independent countries have every reason to be suspicious of their former Russian colonizers.

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        Well when a ‘democatic’ state next to yours undergoes a coup orchestrated by western powers at the behest of the global banking system and a bunch of people there call bullshit on it and ask for your help what do you do?

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          This “coup” wasn’t really one, but sure the US tried to influence the outcome of this revolution to their benefit.

          As for “asking for help”, I can tell you this is not true. I personally went to Ukraine last year to provide humanitarian aid and spoke to many Russian speaking Ukrainians fleeing the Russian attacks. They clearly were not happy with the Ukrainian state either (obviously), but they definitely did not ask the Russians to invade their country and bomb their homes.

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              Sure continue your armchair arguing based of Russian propaganda from far away Canada. You are just making a clown of yourself.

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                However he is likely correct in this context. To deny the possibility of CIA involvement in the 2014 coup is to ignore all the other governments they have helped to overthrow around the world. Dividing populations by furthering the cultural divide between ethnic groups is literally right out of the CIA playbook.

                I dont know if you’ve seen this but it really helps bring a lot into context. I can’t get any liberals to watch it since anything with Putin speaking they instantly discredit by calling it Russian propaganda.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs

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                  I can’t get any liberals to watch it since anything with Putin speaking they instantly discredit by calling it Russian propaganda.

                  He called it “Russian propaganda” right off the bat too, he really does eveything he can to prove he’s just run of the mill proimperial lib

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                  No I am not denying the CIA involvement, but it is far from the whole truth and IMHO just Russian propaganda that the Ukrainians did not also have legitimate reason for this revolution against a highly corrupt and partially foreign controlled government.

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                    Leave it to a western liberal to homogenize Ukrainians using a simplistic narrative.

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                LMAO CNN and other western publications are now Russian propaganda because they contradict your bullshit. Labelling anything that doesn’t fit the war narrative has been the most successful liberal propaganda strategy in the war so far. I think anybody reading this thread can tell who the actual clown here is.

                Also, while I may live in Candada today, both my parents were born in Ukraine, so I’m pretty sure I know more about Ukraine than a piece of shit German liberal.

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                  You know, maybe put up or shut up and come here and see for yourself instead of listening to your parent’s soviet nostalgia and Russian BS propaganda.

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                    I’m not the one cheering this war on. You’re the one who should put up or shut up here. If you really feel the way you do go enlist in foreign legion and fight shoulder to shoulder with your nazi compatriots.

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          The banks had the western countries force Ukraine to oust their leader who shot protestors which were angry over said leader who made a 180° turn towards Russia?

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      They’re imperialist though. Putin is raging about restoring the old Soviet bloc and these states not having a justification for existing outside Russia. And then invading another sovereign country with that excuse can’t get more imperialist.