• Sh3Rm4n
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        2 years ago

        What lie are you talking about?

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          2 years ago

          Okay. Let’s test that. Who started the war?

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            2 years ago

            Russia started a war in Ukraine. The west started the economic war with Russia in response to that. Then Russia retaliated against the west. Russia was perfectly fine trading with the west while fighting a war in Ukraine. What part of this are you struggling with specifically?

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              Great. Finally a sane, almost friendly answer of yours. Very rare occasion.

              Russia was perfectly fine trading with the west while fighting a war in Ukraine.

              Yes of course, why wouldn’t Russia be fine? But you also have to acknowledge that Russia prepared for that economic war well before the current conflict. And even though EU might have started the economic war, Russia started the decrease of delivery of gas to pressure the EU.

              But of course it is mostly the EUs fault to so heavily rely on Russia gas in the first place. In hindsight the signals of the geopolitical shift Russia took where clear even before 2014 but the EU ignored them.

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                The original point was that EU started the economic war which is now destroying EU. This was not the fault of Russia. Glad you’ve finally managed to acknowledge that.

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                  But this is where we disagree. The EU sanctioned Russia which did exclude things like gas.

                  It is very much Russias fault that those prices are going up now as it stopped the delivery of gas.

                  But that is not to say that the EU could’ve known better.

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                    It doesn’t matter what EU chose to sanction. EU started an economic war with Russia, and Russia responded. If you punch me in the face and I proceed to kick you in the balls, that’s not me starting the fight.

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              2 years ago

              Russia started a war in Ukraine.

              Wouldn’t that be rather continuation of the war in Donbass? Russia did invaded Ukraine and joined it, but the war was already ongoing for 8 years.

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                I’ve kind of given up on having any sort of nuance here. Most people in the west think that Russia just randomly invaded Ukraine because they’re evil orcs and there’s nothing you can say to change that. It’s easier to point out that their strategy is ultimately self destructive and hurts them more than it does Russia.

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                  Maybe. It’s not even an nuance at this point. I just get downvoted for stating the dryest, most easily checkable fact, while in the other threads we see things like complete reality denial get pushed.

                  I do think that it’s pretty important fact though. That the war was started by the maidan coup regime murdering people in Donbas who didn’t even wanted to join Russia or be independent at first, they just wanted to not be shock therapied, treated as the second class citizens or murdered like the people in Odessa.

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                    Oh yeah I completely agree, I made a lengthy post that provides some context a little while back. I’m just kind of tired of having to repeat that over and over when people clearly have no interest to engage with reality.