You said someone was mentally unstable. That is saneism, a form of ableism directed at the mentally unwell. As a mentally unstable person myself, I don’t find my condition to be related to fascist beliefs at all.
Aside from casting aspersions on mentally unwell people, I think it’s important not to equate fascism and mental instability, as there are plenty of very stable, very calculating people who are pushing fascism.
We can’t fall into the trap of believing fascism is just a mental health problem, that’s rather similar to the refrain of Americans who argue that mental health is the problem leading to gun violence, and not a culture of reinforcing the dehumanization of others and glorifying oppressive violence.
Obviously you can respond to stuff like this however you want (and let me be clear, I absolutely agree that the post in question was just. . . not anything. An article whose source was trust me bro? ooookay) but it’s not surprising your comment was removed, and in the end it didn’t help to explain to the confused onlooker why the article wasn’t worth anyone’s time.
well yeah maybe i fed the troll responding to that post, its not worth responding to those types of threads in the end, they just want to see the world burn
I can’t argue that the post was almost certainly not linked to in good faith, and the poster was definitely not going to be interested in hearing counter-points, but I try my best to remember that the comments aren’t for convincing the poster (not worth it, as you said) but to convince the onlooker who’s silently scrolling through conversations about topics they don’t understand.
Those are the people we can reach and teach. Though, of course, in the process we’re likely to get a lot of bad faith responses that will trouble our blood pressure, so, y’know, pick your battles.
I don’t believe fascists are insane and I wouldn’t make a comment like the one you did. But the removal stinks of tone policing to me and I fail to see how it makes the site safer for “mentally ill” people.
You wouldn’t mind if frippa called you mentally ill every time they disagreed with you, instead of engaging with the content of what you’re saying? What about a racist slur instead of an ableist slur? We very much do tone policing here too.
I guess I’m failing to see how hurtful the comment they made could be for other people. I agree it shows a belief that people who don’t fit the definition of sanity deserve less respect, but I’m soured by the timing.
As someone who is mentally ill, like, diagnosed by a doctor and medicated, I want to say that it does actually bother me that Lemmygrad is so willing to call fascists etc slurs for mental illness. Insane, lunatic, cuckoo, deranged, psycho, brainless, mad, r*tard, etc were actually words that old lobotomy-and-electroshock asylums used to dehumanize their victims in a way similar to things like the n word, so I do think they should count as slurs. It’s not even cool for actual mental illness or mental disability sufferers to use them. Calling fascists or anyone who intentionally does horrible things those words insult the mentally ill way more than it insults the people you want to insult. We are not fascists and we don’t want fascists to be seen as the same as us.
Same with that whole “elderly Western politician has dimentia” thing that goes around here. My grandfather has dimentia, and it’s an absolutely terrifying and sad disease for him and the rest of our family. I think the thing that sums it up best is that he can’t even enjoy the short periods of lucidity he has left because those are the times he realizes just how far gone he is, and he spends that time apologising to us for his behaviour when the disease takes hold of him. Please don’t trivialize it by using it as an insult for people who’s old and make horrible decisions. If Trump and his MAGA cult use some insult all the damn time, chances are we communists shouldn’t mirror that. IMO, that’s not that different than 4chan using AIDS and cancer as insults for people/things they don’t like.
I don’t agree with a lot of things the other Lemmy.ml admins are doing, no, but I do think disallowing ablest terminology are very reasonable. Call fascists horrible people all you want, but leave the mental illness and mental disability related terms out of it.
I’ve learned that you don’t start shit over a comment like that. It barely registers to me what it means. I’ll keep in mind that I shouldn’t measure the weight of what people say based on how I feel.
Yeah but why throw mentally ill people under the bus??
Il just saying that being fascist is insane, no weird - ism things
You said someone was mentally unstable. That is saneism, a form of ableism directed at the mentally unwell. As a mentally unstable person myself, I don’t find my condition to be related to fascist beliefs at all.
Aside from casting aspersions on mentally unwell people, I think it’s important not to equate fascism and mental instability, as there are plenty of very stable, very calculating people who are pushing fascism.
We can’t fall into the trap of believing fascism is just a mental health problem, that’s rather similar to the refrain of Americans who argue that mental health is the problem leading to gun violence, and not a culture of reinforcing the dehumanization of others and glorifying oppressive violence.
“Least ideologically and morally wrong fascist” was too long
Obviously you can respond to stuff like this however you want (and let me be clear, I absolutely agree that the post in question was just. . . not anything. An article whose source was trust me bro? ooookay) but it’s not surprising your comment was removed, and in the end it didn’t help to explain to the confused onlooker why the article wasn’t worth anyone’s time.
well yeah maybe i fed the troll responding to that post, its not worth responding to those types of threads in the end, they just want to see the world burn
I can’t argue that the post was almost certainly not linked to in good faith, and the poster was definitely not going to be interested in hearing counter-points, but I try my best to remember that the comments aren’t for convincing the poster (not worth it, as you said) but to convince the onlooker who’s silently scrolling through conversations about topics they don’t understand.
Those are the people we can reach and teach. Though, of course, in the process we’re likely to get a lot of bad faith responses that will trouble our blood pressure, so, y’know, pick your battles.
I don’t believe fascists are insane and I wouldn’t make a comment like the one you did. But the removal stinks of tone policing to me and I fail to see how it makes the site safer for “mentally ill” people.
You wouldn’t mind if frippa called you mentally ill every time they disagreed with you, instead of engaging with the content of what you’re saying? What about a racist slur instead of an ableist slur? We very much do tone policing here too.
I get called mentally ill to my face in real life. I’m confused by this comment.
That’s not cool at all. And this thread is frippa whining about not being able to call ppl mentally ill as a slur.
I guess I’m failing to see how hurtful the comment they made could be for other people. I agree it shows a belief that people who don’t fit the definition of sanity deserve less respect, but I’m soured by the timing.
As someone who is mentally ill, like, diagnosed by a doctor and medicated, I want to say that it does actually bother me that Lemmygrad is so willing to call fascists etc slurs for mental illness. Insane, lunatic, cuckoo, deranged, psycho, brainless, mad, r*tard, etc were actually words that old lobotomy-and-electroshock asylums used to dehumanize their victims in a way similar to things like the n word, so I do think they should count as slurs. It’s not even cool for actual mental illness or mental disability sufferers to use them. Calling fascists or anyone who intentionally does horrible things those words insult the mentally ill way more than it insults the people you want to insult. We are not fascists and we don’t want fascists to be seen as the same as us.
Same with that whole “elderly Western politician has dimentia” thing that goes around here. My grandfather has dimentia, and it’s an absolutely terrifying and sad disease for him and the rest of our family. I think the thing that sums it up best is that he can’t even enjoy the short periods of lucidity he has left because those are the times he realizes just how far gone he is, and he spends that time apologising to us for his behaviour when the disease takes hold of him. Please don’t trivialize it by using it as an insult for people who’s old and make horrible decisions. If Trump and his MAGA cult use some insult all the damn time, chances are we communists shouldn’t mirror that. IMO, that’s not that different than 4chan using AIDS and cancer as insults for people/things they don’t like.
I don’t agree with a lot of things the other Lemmy.ml admins are doing, no, but I do think disallowing ablest terminology are very reasonable. Call fascists horrible people all you want, but leave the mental illness and mental disability related terms out of it.
Is there any time that it should be okay to call ppl mentally ill?
I don’t understand why you’re okay with ppl weaponizing mental illnes and using it as a slur, if you know how harmful it can be.
I’ve learned that you don’t start shit over a comment like that. It barely registers to me what it means. I’ll keep in mind that I shouldn’t measure the weight of what people say based on how I feel.