Taiwan proposed on Thursday $19 billion in defence spending for next year, a double-digit increase on 2022 that includes funds for new fighter jets, weeks after China staged large-scale military exercises around the island it views as its territory.
Taiwan is far from a rogue governing body. It’s a complete state that has governed Taiwan for 70 years. Yes, it is a vestige from a civil war that never really quite managed to reach its conclusion. But the fact of the matter is that China has no legitimate claim over Taiwan. It never won that part of the civil war. That territory has been held by the Taiwanese government and the Taiwanese people increasingly do not identify as Chinese.
Taiwan is looking at declaring independence, but China has made it clear that it will instantly invade if Taiwan does so. The US has also said that Taiwan will be on its own if it rocks the boat by changing the status quo. So here we sit with an ambiguous status, at least in terms of what countries are willing to call Taiwan’s status.
Which makes it secessionism of a region everyone has agreed is China by the rogue governing body of that region. That body being disconnected is exactly what makes it “rogue”. It is a governing body. It is disconnected. It is a rogue governing body of a region of China, one they should have dealt with a very long time ago but decided upon different priorities.
You can dislike this reality all you want but it doesn’t make it any less factual. That is the situation.
and the Taiwanese people increasingly do not identify as Chinese.
You agree yourself that the majority identify as Chinese then.
How very democratic of you to want to split a part of a country away when the majority identify as being part of that country. Truly a lover of democracy.
You agree yourself that the majority identify as Chinese then.
No. This running survey shows differently. The majority identifies as Taiwanese only (67%) with most of the rest having some dual identity as Taiwanese and Chinese. A vanishingly small number identify as Chinese alone.
Taiwan and its government is not rogue. This is an independent people with an independent government. No matter how China tries to frame it, invading Taiwan means invading an independent people and country.
This is widely discredited. It’s weighted sampling with undisclosed weighting and draws from only people with landline telephones. The methodology is here.
Furthermore, you get wildly different results from these surveys depending on how you ask the question. For example if you give people fixed choices you might get something like the above, but if you give people multiple choice by just listing a bunch of identities and letting people tick boxes with no inherent leading by presenting it as an independence question you get this, which is widely regarded as a less biased and more scientific approach:
Obviously this is quite a split country on the topic, but it’s not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. And I think you should also keep in mind that an absolute majority are not for independence, they are for the status quo. 65% of people opposed Pelosi’s visit as well.
Taiwan is not an independent state, and there is no legal basis for that assertion. China has every legitimate claim over Taiwan and claiming otherwise is complete and utter nonsense that’s not based in reality. Even Taiwan has never considered itself as not being part of China. The historical contention was which was the legitimate government of all of China. I implore you to actually spend the time toe educate yourself on the subject if you’re going to keep arguing about it.
The claim is that the CPC has legitimate authority over the Taiwanese land. When did the CPC ever take that land? When has it ever governed it? Never. The CPC can wave around recognition they’ve gotten out of governments all they like. It doesn’t change that that is not how Taiwan is.
I get that’s what the CPC’s claim is. I just think it’s an incredibly faulty claim, given that they’ve never governed Taiwan. They’ve just said that they do.
Good for them. Going to go imperialist by invading a neighboring country that is no threat to them? Because that’s what this has become now. If they do this, all claims to be “anti-imperialist” become hollow and false.
Going to go imperialist by invading a neighboring country that is no threat to them?
Not a country.
War isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is an economic system, not just something you call any and all military action by any large country. Imperialism is an elevated form of capitalism in which finance-capital has evolved to become such a power that it merges with the state and uses all state powers in the pursuit of the expansion of capital abroad. Imperialism isn’t one specific action, it is an entire state of being of a country. Like capitalism, but at its highest stage.
Taiwan is far from a rogue governing body. It’s a complete state that has governed Taiwan for 70 years. Yes, it is a vestige from a civil war that never really quite managed to reach its conclusion. But the fact of the matter is that China has no legitimate claim over Taiwan. It never won that part of the civil war. That territory has been held by the Taiwanese government and the Taiwanese people increasingly do not identify as Chinese.
Taiwan is looking at declaring independence, but China has made it clear that it will instantly invade if Taiwan does so. The US has also said that Taiwan will be on its own if it rocks the boat by changing the status quo. So here we sit with an ambiguous status, at least in terms of what countries are willing to call Taiwan’s status.
Which makes it secessionism of a region everyone has agreed is China by the rogue governing body of that region. That body being disconnected is exactly what makes it “rogue”. It is a governing body. It is disconnected. It is a rogue governing body of a region of China, one they should have dealt with a very long time ago but decided upon different priorities.
You can dislike this reality all you want but it doesn’t make it any less factual. That is the situation.
You agree yourself that the majority identify as Chinese then.
How very democratic of you to want to split a part of a country away when the majority identify as being part of that country. Truly a lover of democracy.
No. This running survey shows differently. The majority identifies as Taiwanese only (67%) with most of the rest having some dual identity as Taiwanese and Chinese. A vanishingly small number identify as Chinese alone.
Taiwan and its government is not rogue. This is an independent people with an independent government. No matter how China tries to frame it, invading Taiwan means invading an independent people and country.
This is widely discredited. It’s weighted sampling with undisclosed weighting and draws from only people with landline telephones. The methodology is here.
Furthermore, you get wildly different results from these surveys depending on how you ask the question. For example if you give people fixed choices you might get something like the above, but if you give people multiple choice by just listing a bunch of identities and letting people tick boxes with no inherent leading by presenting it as an independence question you get this, which is widely regarded as a less biased and more scientific approach:
Obviously this is quite a split country on the topic, but it’s not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. And I think you should also keep in mind that an absolute majority are not for independence, they are for the status quo. 65% of people opposed Pelosi’s visit as well.
Taiwan is not an independent state, and there is no legal basis for that assertion. China has every legitimate claim over Taiwan and claiming otherwise is complete and utter nonsense that’s not based in reality. Even Taiwan has never considered itself as not being part of China. The historical contention was which was the legitimate government of all of China. I implore you to actually spend the time toe educate yourself on the subject if you’re going to keep arguing about it.
The claim is that the CPC has legitimate authority over the Taiwanese land. When did the CPC ever take that land? When has it ever governed it? Never. The CPC can wave around recognition they’ve gotten out of governments all they like. It doesn’t change that that is not how Taiwan is.
Taiwan is a region of China. CPC is the legal government of China. Are those two facts so difficult to get into your head?
I get that’s what the CPC’s claim is. I just think it’s an incredibly faulty claim, given that they’ve never governed Taiwan. They’ve just said that they do.
Chinese people dont care what you think.
Good for them. Going to go imperialist by invading a neighboring country that is no threat to them? Because that’s what this has become now. If they do this, all claims to be “anti-imperialist” become hollow and false.
Not a country.
War isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is an economic system, not just something you call any and all military action by any large country. Imperialism is an elevated form of capitalism in which finance-capital has evolved to become such a power that it merges with the state and uses all state powers in the pursuit of the expansion of capital abroad. Imperialism isn’t one specific action, it is an entire state of being of a country. Like capitalism, but at its highest stage.
Read the thread again. Not a neighboring country, but a region of China.
China is rapidly becoming the most powerful and richest country in the world. No country will care about cheap slander from the collapsing US.
Feel free to keep that view, but I’m sticking with how people live their lives instead of how the CPC’s ideology wants things to be.
China shouldn’t get too overconfident there. How’s the housing market? And the aging population?