getting your work used by criminals shouldnt make you a criminal though.
except sometimes its not used for purchasing and sometimes used for donations i.e. donations for Ukraine were done through eth and people (including vitalik buterin) used Tornado Cash to donate to people\organizations without it get traced to vitalik and the user\org
So if someone works on software for cars and they’re used to run people over the responsibility is on them? Seems like a terrible way to go about it.
With that perspective tim berners lee has aided so much terrorism, money laundering, and blackmail by coding the world wide web. Or Protonmail coders or apple cosers for making end to end encryption simple to use
ok then does that apply to software that makes it easier to obfuscate communication? people can use it to plot terror attacks, or send grandmas secret recipe. people can use tornado cash for money laundering, or for hiding how much money you have and where your spending it from an abusive ex or authoritarian government who might target you for paying for an abortion
You can donate without problem using normal crypto coins or regular money.
A no ser que uses una criptomoneda como Monero todo el mundo puede saber a quién has donado. ¿Pero y si no quieres que nadie sepa que a quien has donado? Por ejemplo, me puede dar vergüenda donar dinero para ayudar a comprar armas a un país muy corrupto, como Ucrania. Si el otro país toma el poder pueden usar esa información en el futuro para acusarme de financiar el terrorismo o financiar a neonazis.
Same argument to be used to lock up anyone who’s ever contributed to a torrenting app or to the protocol itself.
Whatever your opinion on crypto, taking it down might have some acceptable reasoning behind, but going as far as to arrest the developer is extremely concerning.
What are you even talking about? It’s 100 percent a question of perspective because as I hope you know, this argument is used constantly (copying files is or should be illegal).
The fact that you consider it to be a “real crime” should be more than enough for you to realise it’s a ridiculous position.
Personally, I don’t consider keeping your financial transactions secrets to be a real crime, regardless of what method you’re using. Now what?
This is very explicitly about North Korea (and others) running their ransomware operations at a profit through tornado cash.
I fail to understand how different that is from the examples cited by @SineNomineAnonymous . They are charged with "hav[ing] failed to address their use as illegal money laundering services. ". Did @torproject manage to address their use as a child porn sharing service?
Would it change your opinion if he was paid for working on the software by the criminals?
Yes, it would change my armchair not-a-lawyer-but-i-play-one-online legal opinion. If there is evidence that he was (knowingly) hired to write the software by people who were planning to violate laws using the software, then it is not as much of an open-and-shut first amendment case (assuming they’re planning to extradite him to the US…).
It is currently unknown and given the nature of the software involved might never be known
Indeed. Which is why your assessment of his arrest should not be based on the assumption that that is what happened.
The politicians may be expending a big chunk of our tax money on sex and hard drugs, but how do you think that public services (education, health, literally a ton more) get founded?
Our politics suck, our system suck. But that discourse is shit.
Our politics suck, our system suck. But that discourse is shit.
Señor Estegosaurio, si es mi dinero, debería poder decidir en qué se emplea, pero no puedo hacerlo, pues una considerable parte me la quita el estado para financiar cosas que no quiero financiar.
Disculpa el tono en el anterior mensaje, mucho estres.
Está claro que con nuestros impuestos se hacen infinidad de cosas en contra del beneficio del pueblo (políticos yendose de putas, comisiones, favores…) y que al final tan sólo una mínima parte se acaba invirtiendo en servicios públicos.
El sistema, como idea y sobre el papel, no me parece una mala idea. Ahora, habríamos de limpiar las instituciones de toda corrupción, implantar transparencia absoluta y someter esos presupuestos a referndum.
Yo también estoy harto de financiar a tanto payaso, pero la alternativa no es mejor. Es preferible tener el circo que tenemos ahora a morir por no poder costearse una ambulancia. (veasé EEUU)
Claro que esto no es en defensa de la corrupción actual ni nada por el estilo, no es conformismo. Lo que quiero decir es que no tener nada es horrible, lo que tenemos es malo y que podemos aspirar a algo bueno.
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GNU Taler is a payment system built on this philosophy
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getting your work used by criminals shouldnt make you a criminal though.
except sometimes its not used for purchasing and sometimes used for donations i.e. donations for Ukraine were done through eth and people (including vitalik buterin) used Tornado Cash to donate to people\organizations without it get traced to vitalik and the user\org
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So if someone works on software for cars and they’re used to run people over the responsibility is on them? Seems like a terrible way to go about it.
With that perspective tim berners lee has aided so much terrorism, money laundering, and blackmail by coding the world wide web. Or Protonmail coders or apple cosers for making end to end encryption simple to use
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ok then does that apply to software that makes it easier to obfuscate communication? people can use it to plot terror attacks, or send grandmas secret recipe. people can use tornado cash for money laundering, or for hiding how much money you have and where your spending it from an abusive ex or authoritarian government who might target you for paying for an abortion
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A no ser que uses una criptomoneda como Monero todo el mundo puede saber a quién has donado. ¿Pero y si no quieres que nadie sepa que a quien has donado? Por ejemplo, me puede dar vergüenda donar dinero para ayudar a comprar armas a un país muy corrupto, como Ucrania. Si el otro país toma el poder pueden usar esa información en el futuro para acusarme de financiar el terrorismo o financiar a neonazis.
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Same argument to be used to lock up anyone who’s ever contributed to a torrenting app or to the protocol itself.
Whatever your opinion on crypto, taking it down might have some acceptable reasoning behind, but going as far as to arrest the developer is extremely concerning.
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What are you even talking about? It’s 100 percent a question of perspective because as I hope you know, this argument is used constantly (copying files is or should be illegal).
The fact that you consider it to be a “real crime” should be more than enough for you to realise it’s a ridiculous position.
Personally, I don’t consider keeping your financial transactions secrets to be a real crime, regardless of what method you’re using. Now what?
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I fail to understand how different that is from the examples cited by @SineNomineAnonymous . They are charged with "hav[ing] failed to address their use as illegal money laundering services. ". Did @torproject manage to address their use as a child porn sharing service?
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Well, their security audit didn’t seem spot the risk…
Seriously, though, are you condoning someone being arrested for publishing software?
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Yes, it would change my armchair not-a-lawyer-but-i-play-one-online legal opinion. If there is evidence that he was (knowingly) hired to write the software by people who were planning to violate laws using the software, then it is not as much of an open-and-shut first amendment case (assuming they’re planning to extradite him to the US…).
Indeed. Which is why your assessment of his arrest should not be based on the assumption that that is what happened.
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Seller should be anonymous to avoid state stealing their money through taxes.
The politicians may be expending a big chunk of our tax money on sex and hard drugs, but how do you think that public services (education, health, literally a ton more) get founded?
Our politics suck, our system suck. But that discourse is shit.
Señor Estegosaurio, si es mi dinero, debería poder decidir en qué se emplea, pero no puedo hacerlo, pues una considerable parte me la quita el estado para financiar cosas que no quiero financiar.
Disculpa el tono en el anterior mensaje, mucho estres.
Está claro que con nuestros impuestos se hacen infinidad de cosas en contra del beneficio del pueblo (políticos yendose de putas, comisiones, favores…) y que al final tan sólo una mínima parte se acaba invirtiendo en servicios públicos.
El sistema, como idea y sobre el papel, no me parece una mala idea. Ahora, habríamos de limpiar las instituciones de toda corrupción, implantar transparencia absoluta y someter esos presupuestos a referndum.
Yo también estoy harto de financiar a tanto payaso, pero la alternativa no es mejor. Es preferible tener el circo que tenemos ahora a morir por no poder costearse una ambulancia. (veasé EEUU) Claro que esto no es en defensa de la corrupción actual ni nada por el estilo, no es conformismo. Lo que quiero decir es que no tener nada es horrible, lo que tenemos es malo y que podemos aspirar a algo bueno.