I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

  • OurToothbrush
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    2 months ago

    Are the real qualifications a caliper set and an unwillingness to talk about what they used to do before they got a position in the west German military?

    • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      2 months ago

      No, the qualifications are people who have studied that conflict for decades and journalists that have been to Gaza and Israel themselves.

      I value their opinion significantly higher than the opinion of people on Lemmy that haven’t taken 5 minutes out of their day to read up on the conflict.

      • OurToothbrush
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        2 months ago

        And all these people think Israel are the good guys? I wonder what their opinions about apartheid South Africa were at the time.

        Israel was explicitly founded as a settler-colonial project, you can look up quotes from famous founding zionists.

        “You are being invited to help make history … it doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen, but Jews … How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.”

        Theodore Herzl to a Rhodesian representative

        • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          So, because the foundations were colonial, we should … kill everyone living in said country?

          Is that a serious argument? Because then we have a lot of places to eradicate.

          • OurToothbrush
            1·
            2 months ago

            First off, the foundations remain the same, colonial.

            Second off, is creating a secular democracy without an apartheid system, aka “destroying Israel” going to kill everyone? Did the collapse of apartheid South Africa kill all the white people there?

            • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              2 months ago

              The collapse didn’t. But the goal or “Mission” of the Hamas is to eradicate all jews.

              So yes, Israel falling would result in the eradication of a vast majority of the Jewish people.

              • OurToothbrush
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                2 months ago

                But the goal or “Mission” of the Hamas is to eradicate all jews.

                Source that isn’t from the 90s when they were a marginal fundamentalist group and not a leading member of a coalition fighting for a secular democracy?

                • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Hama’s fighting for democracy, ye.Just as the Taliban I guess. Iran also wants to support the Hamas in establishing democracy because Iran has a flourishing democracy and they want to spread it further. That’s also why Russia and by extent north korea support the Iran and the “democracy coalition” of palestine, those are also big fans of democracies.

                  With all due respect, but if you want to believe the Hamas and other terrorist groups want to fight for “freedom” instead of eradicating the entire Jewish population, discussions with you on this topic are fruitless.

                  • OurToothbrush
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    With all due respect, but if you want to believe the Hamas and other terrorist groups want to fight for “freedom” instead of eradicating the entire Jewish population, discussions with you on this topic are fruitless.

                    These people are a terrorist caricature one could find in a bad American bush era movie to you, aren’t they?