Holy shit I didn’t know admins in this place were full blown Russian lickers. I don’t know about you but I would gladly have my country join nato if that means not ending up like Georgia or now Ukraine twice.
Also congrats on getting Finland to finally join nato btw.
Right??? They act like they are concerned about what events could have taken place to ensure that the invasion never happened. Guess what could have occurred that would have been the biggest guarantee that the invasion could never happen? Ukraine joining NATO prior to the invasion…
All NATO wanted to do was to use Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia, and now NATO will discard Ukraine like a used condom. That’s the fate of all the vassals of the empire.
It goes much further back, and it involves a lot more Ukrainian fascism than people realize. History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
Evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt the far right / oligarchs were behind the mass killing of over 100 people and blame it on the government in a false flag operation. But people in the west will never hear of this. And if they hear they will dismiss it as conspiracy theory or propaganda. So it’s really no wonder people like linus react like this.
One has to really go out of one’s way to hear it, because corporate media aren’t going to tell it to us, until perhaps twenty or more years from now, when it no longer matters.
@Samueru I find it humorous that someone would downvote me for suggesting that history goes back more than a decade. Guess they are less than ten years old and think their parents appeared out of nowhere when they were born.
During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could. Maybe spend some time learning a bit of history instead of flaunting your ignorance in public.
Yeah, best they could do because the famine was happening all over USSR. In fact, as anybody who’s not an utter imbecile would know, famines were already prevalent during tsarist times and were one of the major causes for the revolution. Pretty clear who’s the miserable loser here. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Holy shit I didn’t know admins in this place were full blown Russian lickers. I don’t know about you but I would gladly have my country join nato if that means not ending up like Georgia or now Ukraine twice.
Also congrats on getting Finland to finally join nato btw.
always hilarious to see nafoids show up here
Cool, maybe the US will blow up its new ally’s pipelines too someday. We are not a trustworthy ally.
Right??? They act like they are concerned about what events could have taken place to ensure that the invasion never happened. Guess what could have occurred that would have been the biggest guarantee that the invasion could never happen? Ukraine joining NATO prior to the invasion…
All NATO wanted to do was to use Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia, and now NATO will discard Ukraine like a used condom. That’s the fate of all the vassals of the empire.
@yogthos @theunknownmuncher The controllers of said empire isn’t the elected government. How we can reign that back in, I don’t know.
That’s the big question of our times.
They’re above the law, so… guillotines.
@theunknownmuncher @Samueru Like Russia placing nukes in Cuba guaranteed we wouldn’t invade it?
The thing about not being willing to learn from history is that you are then destined to repeat the same mistakes.
@Samueru @davel Is there something about people from lemmy.ml that makes them only capable of insults as opposed to rational discussions?
What rational discussion is to be had when one country is clearly annexing another since 2014 lmao?
The US currently occupies a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine, but do go on.
@Samueru The history goes back way before 2014 and your summation of the situation is inaccurate.
It goes much further back, and it involves a lot more Ukrainian fascism than people realize. History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
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Ukraine, and Europe in general, didn’t maintain this post-WWII fascism all on their own, though: The US. bears significant responsibility. The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
There is also a recent academic book (by an Ukrainian academic) about the maidan massacre: The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine: The Mass Killing that Changed the World | SpringerLink
Evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt the far right / oligarchs were behind the mass killing of over 100 people and blame it on the government in a false flag operation. But people in the west will never hear of this. And if they hear they will dismiss it as conspiracy theory or propaganda. So it’s really no wonder people like linus react like this.
One has to really go out of one’s way to hear it, because corporate media aren’t going to tell it to us, until perhaps twenty or more years from now, when it no longer matters.
@Samueru I find it humorous that someone would downvote me for suggesting that history goes back more than a decade. Guess they are less than ten years old and think their parents appeared out of nowhere when they were born.
Yes it goes back to Holodomor and how russia has always treated ukranians as second class citizens.
During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could. Maybe spend some time learning a bit of history instead of flaunting your ignorance in public.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600
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Yeah, best they could do because the famine was happening all over USSR. In fact, as anybody who’s not an utter imbecile would know, famines were already prevalent during tsarist times and were one of the major causes for the revolution. Pretty clear who’s the miserable loser here. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
This isn’t the corporate internet. Your engagement is all cost and no income.
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Or that’s what this would be on Lemmy.ml. They are all tankies and they get mad when you point out terrible things like facts.
I love how you dronies always project. The only ones who are mad are you lot. We just think you provide free entertainment like court jesters.
You really love your “them tankies” huh. Maybe you should start engaging with reality instead of this bullshit anticommunism you always do.
You are on the Russian instance my friend. I would strongly recommend finding a new home.
By Russian instance you mean one where people engage with reality that’s uncomfortable for the utterly brainwashed people like yourself?
What instance do you suggest?
reddit.com is the one for you
Btw just before I leave, I’ll drop this here since it seems to trigger people like you for some reason:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide
Pretty much any that isn’t Lemmy.ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. (And maybe beehaw.social as they have defederated from Lemmy.world)
Just look around and pick one.