My 6th sense was telling me someone would hit me with something like this. Thank you for making me aware, I see this has a section for better alternatives.
It is a fact that Signal got its main initial funding from radio free asia, and that RFA even a few years ago was doing damage control on behalf of signal. How is that not evidence of US involvement?
Also, as that article states, the issue is that even if the message content is secure, the metadata isn’t: signal can provide social graphs of actual people, dates, and times to the US.
Saying that Signal is some sort of CIA tool is fearmongering. It isn’t perfect but it is a good replacement for apps like Whatsapp and iMessage. Of course decentralized services like Matrix are superior, but it is much easier to get your friends and family to use Signal than something like Element. Both services have their use cases, and just dismissing Signal as a CIA tool wont get us anywhere.
You just keep repeating “trust signal”, with absolutely nothing to support that. Completely ignoring its direct links both to US regime-change orgs, and its inherently insecure US domiciled setup.
The article I gave provides tons of reasons signal isn’t trustworthy, and why no one should use it. You seem to be doing the standard thing of “its easy to use and has a nice UI, so that means it can be trusted!”. Do you have any reasons why I should trust signal, and any proof that it hasn’t received a NSL letter, meaning everyone who uses it is being spied on?
I do agree with the metadata problem, but what is the problem with someone in the US using Signal to chat with friends? My main point here is to not just dismiss Signal entirely, but instead understand the problems with it, and in what situations you should be using it.
The people most at risk for using signal, are US citizens. There’s a very high chance that Signal, being a US domiciled company, means its database is compromised. That gives the US gov / NSA / police social graphs, who is using signal, who is talking to who, and when. If you’re in an activist group, an anti-capitalist party, an anti-landlord group, the US government knows who you are talking with, when, and all of your names and addresses.
I think that’s a reasonable concern. Do you suggest using Matrix for everything then? That would be a challenge, especially getting less tech savvy people to start using Element.
One of the main issues with Signal is that it’s a central server based on US. So, ultimately even if Signal isn’t doing anything nefarious themselves it’s still subject to US laws. So, if nothing else US can just order them to shut down the server.
Signal is not good: https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html
My 6th sense was telling me someone would hit me with something like this. Thank you for making me aware, I see this has a section for better alternatives.
I use Jami personally, it seems to tick all the boxes
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It is a fact that Signal got its main initial funding from radio free asia, and that RFA even a few years ago was doing damage control on behalf of signal. How is that not evidence of US involvement?
Also, as that article states, the issue is that even if the message content is secure, the metadata isn’t: signal can provide social graphs of actual people, dates, and times to the US.
Saying that Signal is some sort of CIA tool is fearmongering. It isn’t perfect but it is a good replacement for apps like Whatsapp and iMessage. Of course decentralized services like Matrix are superior, but it is much easier to get your friends and family to use Signal than something like Element. Both services have their use cases, and just dismissing Signal as a CIA tool wont get us anywhere.
You just keep repeating “trust signal”, with absolutely nothing to support that. Completely ignoring its direct links both to US regime-change orgs, and its inherently insecure US domiciled setup.
The article I gave provides tons of reasons signal isn’t trustworthy, and why no one should use it. You seem to be doing the standard thing of “its easy to use and has a nice UI, so that means it can be trusted!”. Do you have any reasons why I should trust signal, and any proof that it hasn’t received a NSL letter, meaning everyone who uses it is being spied on?
I do agree with the metadata problem, but what is the problem with someone in the US using Signal to chat with friends? My main point here is to not just dismiss Signal entirely, but instead understand the problems with it, and in what situations you should be using it.
The people most at risk for using signal, are US citizens. There’s a very high chance that Signal, being a US domiciled company, means its database is compromised. That gives the US gov / NSA / police social graphs, who is using signal, who is talking to who, and when. If you’re in an activist group, an anti-capitalist party, an anti-landlord group, the US government knows who you are talking with, when, and all of your names and addresses.
I think that’s a reasonable concern. Do you suggest using Matrix for everything then? That would be a challenge, especially getting less tech savvy people to start using Element.
Yep I would. My partner and I use element every day, its not really any less user friendly than signal nowadays.
One of the main issues with Signal is that it’s a central server based on US. So, ultimately even if Signal isn’t doing anything nefarious themselves it’s still subject to US laws. So, if nothing else US can just order them to shut down the server.