KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday announced a military operation in Ukraine, claiming it’s intended to protect civilians. In a televised address, Putin said the action comes in response to threats coming from Ukraine.
If I accused you of murder or sexual assault, you would full well expect me to provide some proof before making that kind of situation. In a time when world tensions were high, you jumped to conclusions and made them higher by exaggerating what happened. I don’t care if you don’t want to write an essay, that’s fine. But you chose to engage in these false claims in the first place, then dipped.
Remember when Russian backed separatists shot down that airliner? Their defense was also “prove it”, “show me the evidence”, “the plane shot down itself”. Years later, we can see that this is simply a ploy to distract, distort and delay. These disingenuous tactics have become all too transparent.
Minute by minute? It’s been over an hour and I’m still waiting for evidence of boots on the ground in Kiev. And if you look at livestreams of Kiev it looks like a normal day, people going about their business.
Ok, I don’t know if you can read well, but, that’s not Kiev. I think the assertion that Russian troops are in Kiev is ridiculous, and that’s the evidence I demanded.
But no, until further verification, I’m staying undecided. I’ve seen too much misinformation tonight debunked by more sober and patient minds. A lot of the videos floating around on twitter are from 2014 or from other events. Or they mischaracterize the content. A boots on the ground invasion would be disastrous for Russia. And since Putin claimed Russia will not occupy Ukraine, it’s incredibly unlikely. Does Putin really think he can occupy Ukraine and convince the world he hasn’t done this? If they actually invaded all of Ukraine, it would be pointless to deny it officially.
Rest assured, that is not what is happening tonight. Everyone needs to calm down, wait for the dust to clear and real investigation to be done, and we will know the truth. Stop spreading lies about troops in Kiev, or Russia attacking Moldova, or other crazy bullshit.
With the benefit of some time, here’s a more complete article on what happened. Turns out the source I heard it from originally (Marco Rubio) was quite correct. From this article, it sounds like there likely are at least some Russian troops on the outskirts of Kiev.
Still an evolving situation, but this is clearly a boots on the ground invasion, no two ways about it. I think it’s a stretch to say that Putin wants to hold Ukraine himself for any length of time. That would be difficult and Russia simply doesn’t have the ability to hold hostile territory that long.
Again, nobody owes you minute by minute explanations. And yes, you were demanding those. About 20 minutes had passed from your last reply to the parent commenter to your next comment declaring that they ducked out of the thread, as if failing in a duty to respond to you.
Now you’re constantly refreshing the page minute by minute, hour by hour, demanding that your confidently incorrect denials of obvious facts be responded to in detail.
That’s ridiculous and it’s wasting everybody’s time.
It’s hard to do a lot worse than literally being wrong about an invasion every step of the way in real time.
That’s why @pingveno@lemmy.ml had to dip out of this thread without providing a single piece of evidence for what they’re saying
My deepest apologies. It was nearing midnight and I needed to go to sleep instead of writing the requested essay.
If I accused you of murder or sexual assault, you would full well expect me to provide some proof before making that kind of situation. In a time when world tensions were high, you jumped to conclusions and made them higher by exaggerating what happened. I don’t care if you don’t want to write an essay, that’s fine. But you chose to engage in these false claims in the first place, then dipped.
Remember when Russian backed separatists shot down that airliner? Their defense was also “prove it”, “show me the evidence”, “the plane shot down itself”. Years later, we can see that this is simply a ploy to distract, distort and delay. These disingenuous tactics have become all too transparent.
Because they didn’t respond to dozens of comments from you on a minute by minute basis? Get a grip. Nobody owes you that.
If they didn’t have evidence that I was wrong, they shouldn’t have engaged with me in the first place
Edit: Hastily saying things like there are boots on the ground in Kiev without evidence is dangerous, warmongering talk. I won’t allow it.
Again, you’re delusional if you think anybody owes you minute by minute responses to everything you say. Go for a walk outside.
Minute by minute? It’s been over an hour and I’m still waiting for evidence of boots on the ground in Kiev. And if you look at livestreams of Kiev it looks like a normal day, people going about their business.
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Ok, I don’t know if you can read well, but, that’s not Kiev. I think the assertion that Russian troops are in Kiev is ridiculous, and that’s the evidence I demanded.
But no, until further verification, I’m staying undecided. I’ve seen too much misinformation tonight debunked by more sober and patient minds. A lot of the videos floating around on twitter are from 2014 or from other events. Or they mischaracterize the content. A boots on the ground invasion would be disastrous for Russia. And since Putin claimed Russia will not occupy Ukraine, it’s incredibly unlikely. Does Putin really think he can occupy Ukraine and convince the world he hasn’t done this? If they actually invaded all of Ukraine, it would be pointless to deny it officially.
Rest assured, that is not what is happening tonight. Everyone needs to calm down, wait for the dust to clear and real investigation to be done, and we will know the truth. Stop spreading lies about troops in Kiev, or Russia attacking Moldova, or other crazy bullshit.
With the benefit of some time, here’s a more complete article on what happened. Turns out the source I heard it from originally (Marco Rubio) was quite correct. From this article, it sounds like there likely are at least some Russian troops on the outskirts of Kiev.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60503037
Still an evolving situation, but this is clearly a boots on the ground invasion, no two ways about it. I think it’s a stretch to say that Putin wants to hold Ukraine himself for any length of time. That would be difficult and Russia simply doesn’t have the ability to hold hostile territory that long.
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It sounds like my sources were flawed. The airport has been attacked but seemingly only to disable it.
Reports from Kiev say that roads out of the city are clogged with people fleeing.
Again, nobody owes you minute by minute explanations. And yes, you were demanding those. About 20 minutes had passed from your last reply to the parent commenter to your next comment declaring that they ducked out of the thread, as if failing in a duty to respond to you.
Now you’re constantly refreshing the page minute by minute, hour by hour, demanding that your confidently incorrect denials of obvious facts be responded to in detail.
That’s ridiculous and it’s wasting everybody’s time.