• datavoid
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    6 months ago

    I don’t disagree that religious people need to prove their beliefs. They are the ones making up insane stories that all contradict one another, and it is absolutely up to them to prove that there is a god, or miracles, or whatever.

    Atheists on the other hand can say “look, there is no god… See?” That doesn’t make them correct. More correct, maybe, as they aren’t the ones making up the stories in the first place, but I’m fairly sure history and science have proven time and time again that humans know less than we think.

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      6 months ago

      Atheists on the other hand can say “look, there is no god… See?”

      Very few atheists say this. The vast majority of us say we don’t know one way or the other.

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        6 months ago

        That’s being agnostic, not atheist

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          6 months ago

          Agnostic atheists and gnostic atheists are both atheists. Assuming all atheists are gnostic atheists is like assuming all Christians are Catholics.

          Gnostic atheists are rare, and if you want evidence look at this thread.

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            6 months ago

            This has become a misunderstanding of language and wording.

            When I say agnostic, that includes “agnostic atheists”. Does that clear things up?

            I swear some people (i.e. self proclaimed “atheists”) get offended at the thought that they might be associated with anyone religious by accepting the fact that their beliefs are, by definition, agnostic.

            I’m tapping out of this thread, didn’t come here to argue about English. Also, please don’t take my last paragraph as an attack - it’s a general observation.

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              6 months ago

              No, this was your misunderstanding:

              Atheists on the other hand can say “look, there is no god… See?”

              The language is irrelevant, you’re claiming something that’s just untrue for 99% of atheists. You going on to distinguish “agnostics” from “atheists” isn’t the real issue.