• CHEF-KOCH
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    • In America, the vast majority eats, what you call, cheap meat 5 days a day. This is a proven fact, there are statistics, starts with breakfast and so on. They will rebel over this, war was started for much less e.g. over oil price.
    • In America, people eat burgers over healthy food because it is cheaper to get a burger from McDonald’s, fact.
    • There is no statistic which supports your claim that there is enough farmland, this is ridiculous. There is not.
    • Climate change will impact several sectors, coffee etc. and it will be much harder to feed people, as you say … easily. Your assumption is simply incorrect, the price for everything will raise a lot and people will riot, maybe not at first but if people struggle to put food on the table it will happen.
    • No one said that farming based things will stop to exist, it is about that the current situation will not last forever. People will and need to change numerous things, and this will create conflicts.

    Your points are naive because

    • You assume everyone lives in a city, this s not the case, you need a car for freedom, to get to a doctor as you are not in a city, among many other reasons.
    • I will rebel if I cannot use my car because I see this as a symbol of freedom, to go where ever I want without asking for permission. I grow up in a small town, we had 2 busses, one in the morning and one in the evening, if you missed them you had to walk. So I know exactly what I am talking about.
    • Your argumentation relies on pseudoscience that do not see all variables, and there are many, you cannot remove trucks and use e.g. train as replacements. There is not enough infrastructure, sometimes it is impossible to use trains and trucks can deliver on point, Trucks have more CO2 than 5-10 cars. Simply impossible to replace such things in society, it will create a cascade of problems such as supply chain issues, higher prices etc. People WILL rebel. The moment people struggle with fundamental things, they go on the streets, and I am with them on this… If my baby cannot get food or I cannot afford it, I will rebel and break laws before my baby dies, everyone would do the same.

    This article + you are delusional on many levels. This is far from realistic and not meant as insult, but there is no statistic to support such Utopia.

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        • Fast Food is simply cheaper.
        • Incorrect, we can only feed 10B people if we change fundamental things, this is shown here.
        • You cannot build infrastructure like you want, it is expensive and not realistic. Your idea only works in crowded cities.
        • You can this and live on surface of Moon, but it is not realistic for most people. Who are you to tell people what do do. You have no right to do that, people see this as threat to freedom. They want their car, if you tell them to get rif of it they will load the gun and tell you to leave their property.
        • Your claims cannot be verified because scientists all say other things. I could link here 100 documents proving that you are delusional and this is absurd and not realistic.

        You cannot and never will get rid of cars, trucks, busses etc. This would result in a collcapse in society and create chaos, the better approach is to find green energy alternatives and as said handle resources much better.

        You are absolute and absurdly delusional on how things in the real-world working. I can tell this after the discussion here.

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            Vegan food is at least, same like other Bio food, a label which proves that animals and food are threaded under specific standards more expensive. Simply because farmers need to pay for this logo, need to spend more of xyz on equipment etc.

            Once again, you are wrong here too.

            Come back to reality, son… We are not in a Utopia world.

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                It does not change the fact. It is in my country not a cheap mass production product and we have in my country specific labels to verify xyz which is more expensive.

                I agree with the lifestyle argument but that also applies to normal food, you can also buy a bottle of water for 100 bucks if that is your desire but it was not about this.

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                    Yeah, and milk you need for the flakes, well cows … cows produce lots of gas emissions. Proven. Full circle.