“All of us know that graduate scholarship levels can be a barrier to study, and conversations with colleagues showed us that senior academics were often not aware of how low they had fallen compared to living costs and the minimum wage,” said Dr Lucy Stewart, a senior scientist at Toha NZ.

“We wanted to put on the record how they had stalled over the last two decades, and discuss the implications of that for students and as a barrier to entry into research.”

In a paper released this morning, she and colleagues Max Soar and Drs Sylvia Nissen, Sereana Naepi and Tara McAllister calculated the average PhD, masters and summer scholarship values across all New Zealand universities over the last 20 years, along with the maximum and minimum value.

In 2019, the average PhD scholarship was valued at just $25,424 – less than the minimum wage at the time ($30,841) and more than $11,000 below the living wage ($36,662).

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    I get the point, but the title holds quite some class despise. I mean yes minimum wage is too low (although no wages at all would be even better), and yes it’s a shame researchers can’t make ends meet, but the problem is not that researchers are paid as little as everyday workers!

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        Wow you have such despise for the working classes. I don’t believe just someone has a specific diploma and job they have more value to society than someone else. Your diplomas won’t do much to cultivate your lands, or to fix your pipe leaks.

        This comment of yours its okay to pay them the same wages as someone with little/low education.

        Yes, exactly. Because education is (or rather, should be) done all along life and should not be restricted to the elite’s youth. Currently highly-educated jobs are almost exclusive to children of the higher classes and schools are designed to filter children following class/race criteria, between those that will end up rich and those that will end up poor. That’s a profoundly unjust system in all regards. Also, just because you studied a certain topic more and have specific knowledge does not make you a better person. Doctors can just as much as factory workers be complete insensitive jerks.

        It takes many roles to make a society spin. Why would some be more valued than others? Do you really want to live in a caste society?

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            certification/degrees are required to do plumbing

            You’re obviously misconstructing my point, which was: Education, intelligence or contribution to society can’t be measured by a piece of paper or how long you’ve studied. I’ve met unschooled folks with wide knowledge and know-how and doctorates who can’t even cook (and vice-versa, obviously).

            And people who get education in farming have higher yields

            I’m not advocating against education, but education is a life-long process which doesn’t start or stop with a diploma. And if you’re talking about farming specifically, you may be aware that agro-education promoted since the “green revolution” in the 60s has terrible consequences for the environment, and that such mechanized/chemical agriculture has much lower yields over time than permaculture which is not taught in formal classes.

            Being a PhD student is a full time job, more so than flipping burgers at a fast food joint.

            I agree a PhD is a full-time job (though it shouldn’t have to be), yet arguing it’s more of a job than being a fast-food worker holds so much contempt. Having previously worked fast-food and currently doing PhD-like research in computer science i can assure you working a physical job for a boss takes a physical and mental toll that’s incomparable. Also worth noting, in your worldview (from what i gather) where everyone is restricted to a specific role (job) in society, it takes quite a few cooks to keep your PhDs fed, so they’re arguably just as valuable to society. My point was that without people to work the land, cooks, plumbers and builders, PhDs could not exist: occupations in a society are complementary [0].

            why should they be paid less than those who have no education

            I’m not saying that. I’m saying there’s no valid reason anyone should be paid more than anyone else. In fact, i’m saying in a fair society money would not exist (because money is the tool capitalists use to appropriate the wealth of others), but in the meantime everyone should be paid equally.

            Additionally, if you don’t incentivize education through the chance of a higher quality of living, no one will go for it

            You’re making a serious assumption which requires evidence. Humans (and other animals) are by nature curious and it takes quite a lot of resources/energy to disable that in people and turn them into subservient wage-slaves. You’ll notice that’s precisely what our educational systems (in much of the world) is about: learning obedience to authority, by-heart recitation and competition (cooperation is called “cheating”). So i argue that no matter how restrictive your society is, you can’t prevent people from asking questions and doing research (remember Galileo?), so man people will go for it. But i also argue that there’s plenty of ways we could make higher education and research more available to people throughout life instead of reproducing a caste system where scientists reside in their ivory towers.

            All in all, sorry i didn’t realize i was commenting in a capitalist (liberal) community. I understand the nature of our disagreements to be your allegiance to the Nation State, Capital, and in general the established order of things in our society, the foundation of which (private property, authority, specialized labor…) you don’t seem to have a problem with. Given the nature of our profound disagreements, i don’t think there’s a way we can come to an understanding, but i’m happy to keep arguing for the sake of it if you so please.

            [0] Except for parasite jobs of control, security, accounting and marketing which just exist for the sake of the capitalist system (and competition) but don’t produce any value overall.

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      but the problem is not that researchers are paid as little as everyday workers!

      Yeah, it’s that they are paid even less?!

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        Yeah, like many other working folks. The problem, depending on how you wish to look at it is either:

        • that minimum wage is too low, and that everyone should be paid the same living wage (reformism)
        • that private property is theft and we should abolish money, so tasks are shared according to the necessity to achieve them and not some arbitrary profit-driven goals (revolutionism)