Anyone who defends Israel at this point is a genocide denier.
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What is Israel supposed to do, though? Just let the Hamas attack go unpunished? I get that there’s something between doing nothing and what they’re doing, but I’m just curious what people think they should have done instead. (Realistically. Obviously leaving is no longer an option for them because all the people who live there.)
What do you mean unpunished? Based on the history of Israel and Gaza, the attack on Israel was the punishment. So beyond the fact dropping thousands of bombs is absolutely unacceptable, any lethal retaliation is not going to help the situation. It’s an emotional reaction with devastating consequences.
This is the same excuse Turkey uses when people bring up Armenian genocide. If we think really hard and cannot find some in-between solution, does that mean the genocide is justified? Is it our job to, or are we even capable of, finding a solution? Is it not the job of politicians or some other professionals?
Instead of indiscriminately bombing thousands of people, maybe send in troops to clear out the areas they’re concerned about?
I dunno why this is some crazy unthought of idea?
They should probably let the two million prisoners out of the giant open air prison.
The lack of basic humanity from that scumbag downpunxx never ceasses to amaze me.Seeing posts of babies pulled from rubble and that cunt posts pictures of an Israel flag and calling for no ceasefire,and calling anyone who wants an end to the slaughter anti-semitic.
death toll has risen to at least 10,022 Palestinians, including 4,104 children, with many victims still trapped beneath the rubble and an Israeli siege drying up access to vital goods like fuel, food and electricity.
“The number [death toll] is expected to go up as at least 2,000 people remain under the rubble. The problem is, with lack of heavy equipment and machinery, the rescue teams on the ground are unable to remove and pull out these bodies from under the rubble,”
The number of those wounded since the October 7 start of the bombardment has risen to 25,408… a result of Israel’s indiscriminate bombardment of civilian homes, hospitals, refugee camps, and schools, said Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), a United Kingdom-based organisation
Running low on fuel supplies, 16 of Gaza’s 35 hospitals have been forced to suspend operations as the number of people wounded increases and the United Nations said that more than 1.5 million people, which is more than half of Gaza’s population, have been displaced.
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Well, you can always count on downpunxx to try and justify the ongoing genocide, or to deny it, or to just have the absolute worst take possible.
I have a theory that downpunxx insane takes are to make other anti palestinian posters seem more moderate, and therefore have what they say more likely to be accepted.
Particularly in communities he’s banned in so only us Kbinauts have to look at it.
Hamas is reported to have killed 1400 in it’s initial attack. Nearly 3x that number of just children have died in Palestine in this genocide.
To be fair, those Palestinians have been dying very anti-semitically.
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Wait, where did the .49% figure come from? I can’t see it in the article
Even if you take the remaining 1.5m that have not
escapedbeen displaced from gaza that the article indicates, you’re still looking at a discrepancy of a couple of orders of magnitude. Am I missing something?Maths.
10,000/2,000,000=0.5%
Well
the United Nations said that more than 1.5 million people, which is more than half of Gaza’s population, have been displaced.
I guess OP said 10,000 / 3,000,000 = 1/300 = .33% so a bit lower but maybe 3 Million is approximate?
Google says 2.048 population so 1/204.8 which is 0.48%
A. The 1.5 million people have not “escaped” or been displaced “from Gaza”, they’ve been forced to move to different places in the Gaza Strip: shelters predominantly. There’s no ingress/egress from Gaza. It’s basically a giant open-air prison.
Israel erected a giant cage around the land boundary of the whole strip in 1993. There’s only 3 exits, all of which are closed: the Rafah crossing into Egypt, the Kerem Shalom crossing at the corner where Israel and Egypt touch, and the Erez crossing into Israel in the north.
Israel enforces a blockade of the shoreline, and a no fly zone. They destroyed Gaza’s airport in 2001.
B. “More than half” is doing some pretty heavy lifting. 1.5 million is closer to 75%.
C. 10,022 / 2,048,000 = 0.489355%. Since the post yesterday, Israel has killed another 283 people which brings it up to 10,305 / 2,048,000 = 0.503%.
Successful Military Operation!
Mission Accomplished
Well, We’ve only got to wait 199 more months before the Israeli solution is complete.
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No, they wouldn’t. They’ve been trying to exterminate the Palestinians for decades. Dying without a fight isn’t better.
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Hey it sounds like you know a lot more about this than AP News or the UN, maybe you should get in touch with them.
What makes you say that? This figure comes from health officials of Palestine, at least according to the article.
I want to qualify this with - we know what israel and the idf are doing is terribly wrong, and under no stretch of the imagination, can their actions be justified.
So, now that that’s clear - the palestinian health authority is directly controlled by HAMAS, and aljazeera is biased in the conflict, due to their relation and ownership.
We cannot trust any information and media reports coming from any source, doing so is a fools errend, and every argument follows this same cycle of futility for this reason.
What we can do, is call for an immediate cease fire and somehow band together internationally to demand an independent tribunal investigate. It may sound like a pipe-dream, but given the reality of this situation, it’s quite literally the only way…
@drktrts historically, death counts coming out of Gaza have turned out to be fairly accurate. Ockham’s Razor would suggest this is likely to be no different in that respect.
This is why humanitarian organizations are using these stats, as Reuters reports.
that’s not the point. there have been several major incidents that have proven information in general (on both sides) have been inconsistent. That’s why I suggest (since we all unanimously agree) this needs to stop and a cease-fire needs to happen asap, so we can begin the process of truly undersrabding the reality.
The UN is not unbiased or immune to misunderstanding in their reports, nor is reuters, or any other source at this point in time. We’ve seen this truth on several occasions. When there’s two vasty opposed ans biased ministries providing pretty much the only sources of information, it’s just bad practice to come to any solid conclusions. Where else in your life would you do this?
@drktrts first of all I totally agree with you that there should be a ceasefire.
But, in my life I use provisional, best guess estimates based on past experience on a pretty regular basis. Everyone does.
The reasoning from Human Rights Watch is worth quoting at length:
“We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said.
“When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations.
“Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.
“We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
We cannot trust any information and media reports coming from any source, doing so is a fools errend
That’s quite a stretch. There are neutral sources reporting the conflict, including UN.
Literally genocide denialism.
Okay let’s say Hamas inflated the number by 200%
That’s still 5,000 deaths bruh
So is this about a high score? Whoever has the most dead people wins?
What’s your point honey?
