Careful. You’ll be millions of dollars in the hole if you get a heart attack. What even are vegetables?
Genuine question, is meat really cheaper than fruits and vegetables in the US? I’ve heard tons things about how vegetarian/vegan is crazy expensive above meat diet over there but have never seen it in person and honestly can’t fathom how that would even work. In Canada vegetables are definitely cheaper and people are turning to plant based meals due to inflation.
Nothing’s cheaper than a vegan diet, which is why vegan and vegetarian diets closely correspond to income and class, despite the reactionary propaganda saying otherwise.
Even with all the subsidies the US government gives to carnist industry, flesh and rape-based products are still usually the most expensive food items.
I’m not doubting that, but is vegan diet actually common among lower class? Granted this is completely anecdotal but I haven’t met a vegan that wasn’t already well-off. That’s interesting, huh you learn something new all the time
Those findings mirror a 2015 poll by the Vegetarian Resource Group, that found 8% of black people were strictly vegetarian, compared to 3.4% overall.
Recently, a January poll by Gallup found that 31% of non-white Americans had reduced their meat consumption in the past year, compared to only 19% of white Americans.
Historically, consumption of flesh hasn’t been “necessary” since the agricultural revolution ~10k years ago(not to mention a lot of hunter-gatherer societies got the majority of their calories from gathering, not hunting), when humanity began to get all its food energy from cultivated crops, and humanity’s population and biomass exploded upwards. Ever since then, animal domestication, ie flesh and dairy consumption, was limited to feudal lords and upper classes who had the large tracts of land and water necessary to cultivate those. Carnist production really only took off with capitalism and colonialism in the new world, where indigenous eviction provided the large amount of land necessary for carnist industry, and animal bodies and their rape-products could be turned into food and clothing commodities. This is the only poorer countries that do have higher levels of meat consumption (Mexico, Brazil, etc) were able to do so via indigenous eviction… and nowadays you still see the colonialist carnist industries cutting swathes through rainforests and countrysides to make room for cheap beef.
Flesh consumption (much like having a yard / “manor”, having servants, etc) has since the agricultural revolution been bourgeois imitation, something the opulent feudal lords engage in, that via capitalist ideological hegemony is something the poor “should” aspire to have.
Thanks! After reading your comment I randomly checked out the Deprogram episode like ep 36 or something (didn’t even choose that one, I’m relistening to the entire pod again in order) and they said similar things. I love when I learn something new and I see it like that same day/week, I feel so smart when that happens
Meat is significantly cheaper then it is in Canada, Europe and generally the rest of the world, but meat is in no way cheaper then vegetables. Even “lower tier” meat like chicken breast and ground beef is still extremely expensive compared to income. Not to mention for most of the population, delicacies like a small Ribeye steak are a once a year, if at all, occasion with how expensive they are.
Vegetables are still pretty damn cheap if you cook everything yourself. The vegetables and noodles I buy to cook dinner for a week cost less than $20. These are staples like onion, carrot, celery, cabbage, etc. Unfortunately leeks have like quadrupled in price since COVID started and I love them :(
Careful. You’ll be millions of dollars in the hole if you get a heart attack. What even are vegetables?
Genuine question, is meat really cheaper than fruits and vegetables in the US? I’ve heard tons things about how vegetarian/vegan is crazy expensive above meat diet over there but have never seen it in person and honestly can’t fathom how that would even work. In Canada vegetables are definitely cheaper and people are turning to plant based meals due to inflation.
Nothing’s cheaper than a vegan diet, which is why vegan and vegetarian diets closely correspond to income and class, despite the reactionary propaganda saying otherwise.
Even with all the subsidies the US government gives to carnist industry, flesh and rape-based products are still usually the most expensive food items.
So showing off your meat haul to supposedly flex what a good deal you got is just plain dumb along with all the other issues meat has.
I’m not doubting that, but is vegan diet actually common among lower class? Granted this is completely anecdotal but I haven’t met a vegan that wasn’t already well-off. That’s interesting, huh you learn something new all the time
Yep it is… here’s one example:
Historically, consumption of flesh hasn’t been “necessary” since the agricultural revolution ~10k years ago(not to mention a lot of hunter-gatherer societies got the majority of their calories from gathering, not hunting), when humanity began to get all its food energy from cultivated crops, and humanity’s population and biomass exploded upwards. Ever since then, animal domestication, ie flesh and dairy consumption, was limited to feudal lords and upper classes who had the large tracts of land and water necessary to cultivate those. Carnist production really only took off with capitalism and colonialism in the new world, where indigenous eviction provided the large amount of land necessary for carnist industry, and animal bodies and their rape-products could be turned into food and clothing commodities. This is the only poorer countries that do have higher levels of meat consumption (Mexico, Brazil, etc) were able to do so via indigenous eviction… and nowadays you still see the colonialist carnist industries cutting swathes through rainforests and countrysides to make room for cheap beef.
Flesh consumption (much like having a yard / “manor”, having servants, etc) has since the agricultural revolution been bourgeois imitation, something the opulent feudal lords engage in, that via capitalist ideological hegemony is something the poor “should” aspire to have.
Thanks! After reading your comment I randomly checked out the Deprogram episode like ep 36 or something (didn’t even choose that one, I’m relistening to the entire pod again in order) and they said similar things. I love when I learn something new and I see it like that same day/week, I feel so smart when that happens
No problem comrade ❤
Meat is significantly cheaper then it is in Canada, Europe and generally the rest of the world, but meat is in no way cheaper then vegetables. Even “lower tier” meat like chicken breast and ground beef is still extremely expensive compared to income. Not to mention for most of the population, delicacies like a small Ribeye steak are a once a year, if at all, occasion with how expensive they are.
Vegetables are still pretty damn cheap if you cook everything yourself. The vegetables and noodles I buy to cook dinner for a week cost less than $20. These are staples like onion, carrot, celery, cabbage, etc. Unfortunately leeks have like quadrupled in price since COVID started and I love them :(